80% of those who toe the line in Takumi San won't finish the race.
80% of those who toe the line in Takumi San won't finish the race.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
The japanese, and Asia in general , don't wear or like heavy shoes. Their running population wear shoes that are more close to the ground, so they are not interest in shoes with huge offsets. There is a huge demand for adidas racers in that region, so there is a market for it.
In North American it is quite the opposite, people want shoes with huge platforms, and our continent is flooded with heavy set people. Adidas racers, as well as Mizuno racers will just sit on the shelf.
It's disgusting.
I never get why no one on Lets run is talking about Mizuno's, Saucony's or Asics'. I like them all a lot. Could this be the reason why?
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Seriously, they have to. They're being killed right now, the sub2 was a step back as a race day shoe (though it looks good to train in).
Adidas messed up with all that Kanye and lifestyle focus, which did make them money and threw nike of their throne. Adidas was killing it up until 2018. But they got away from pure athletics. NIke stayed the course, and really upped their game with athletic performance
Nike didn't fall for the banana in the tailpipe and go lifestyle with their running line. They'll drop different colors, and let people color id, but they didn't move away from running performance. Adidas got away from that, and now they are paying for it.
I noticed the new adidas adios 4 is very vanilla, with simple color ways, so it appears that Adidas is getting back to performance and simplicity.
Nike was in the shitter for awhile with all that nike free running crap, but they saw the light and got back to what they do best. I will never be a nike shoe fan. I'm more into their apparel, and I wear new balance and adidas. But Nike really is killing the running game right now, but Boost is still superior in my opinion ( It lasts forever, and works in all weather conditions).
I agree with this, lifestyle is such a nonsense distraction that goes nowhere. NB is doing it as well. That Free foot crap from Nike was just that crap. Adidas also needs to focus back on middle and long distance spikes. I do train in the Ultra Boost St which is probably the best made trainer for the athlete with old injuries.
JabbyJaywalker wrote:
I think this is a very interesting picture:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrMmbptU0AAreYx.jpg
BTFOd
JabbyJaywalker wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
The japanese, and Asia in general , don't wear or like heavy shoes. Their running population wear shoes that are more close to the ground, so they are not interest in shoes with huge offsets. There is a huge demand for adidas racers in that region, so there is a market for it.
In North American it is quite the opposite, people want shoes with huge platforms, and our continent is flooded with heavy set people. Adidas racers, as well as Mizuno racers will just sit on the shelf.
It's disgusting.
I never get why no one on Lets run is talking about Mizuno's, Saucony's or Asics'. I like them all a lot. Could this be the reason why?
It's never a good idea to label an entire nation or continent as this or that. Japanese people can be seen in flats or in clunky trainers. I have seen all manner of running shoes while I've been there. It's no different than here. You probably have been spending time on the internet reading old articles or posts about Japanese runners and assume that because Japanese university Ekiden teams supposedly train in racing flats, it means all Japanese runners do. Take Yuki Kawauchi for example. He does not train in flats. He trains in typical clunky Asics like your neighbour's mom does.
The same goes for North America.
FYI: People do not talk about Mizunos because they have nothing to offer in 2018. I looked some a few months ago because I hate what Nike has done with the Pegasus and I was aghast at how pathetic Mizunos are now. Very dated design, the weight has crept up again (the Wave Runner 17 was a fave of mine - 8.6 oz) and they just look like garbage.
Moo Goo wrote:
80% of those who toe the line in Takumi San won't finish the race.
Some of these guys are totally clueless. Need to wonder why nobody among the elite Adidas guys has used that shoe (or the Ren) for a marathon when it was available alongside the Adios. MK weights less than 100 lbs and can afford it, rest of the world not so much.
JabbyJaywalker wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
The japanese, and Asia in general , don't wear or like heavy shoes. Their running population wear shoes that are more close to the ground, so they are not interest in shoes with huge offsets. There is a huge demand for adidas racers in that region, so there is a market for it.
In North American it is quite the opposite, people want shoes with huge platforms, and our continent is flooded with heavy set people. Adidas racers, as well as Mizuno racers will just sit on the shelf.
It's disgusting.
I never get why no one on Lets run is talking about Mizuno's, Saucony's or Asics'. I like them all a lot. Could this be the reason why?
I don't run in Adidas because the upper is too narrow for my foot and the heel never seems to sit right if I try to go with a wide. I do most of my running in Saucony, Kinvara for most things and Freedom for marathons.
Generalize much wrote:
JabbyJaywalker wrote:
I never get why no one on Lets run is talking about Mizuno's, Saucony's or Asics'. I like them all a lot. Could this be the reason why?
It's never a good idea to label an entire nation or continent as this or that. Japanese people can be seen in flats or in clunky trainers. I have seen all manner of running shoes while I've been there. It's no different than here. You probably have been spending time on the internet reading old articles or posts about Japanese runners and assume that because Japanese university Ekiden teams supposedly train in racing flats, it means all Japanese runners do. Take Yuki Kawauchi for example. He does not train in flats. He trains in typical clunky Asics like your neighbour's mom does.
The same goes for North America.
FYI: People do not talk about Mizunos because they have nothing to offer in 2018. I looked some a few months ago because I hate what Nike has done with the Pegasus and I was aghast at how pathetic Mizunos are now. Very dated design, the weight has crept up again (the Wave Runner 17 was a fave of mine - 8.6 oz) and they just look like garbage.
Uh, not for racing. We are talking about racing, not training. Everyone wears a bigger shoe for easy and long runs, because cushioning and durability are needed. However,when it comes to racing, a lot of americans are still wearing big or heavy shoes, where asians are wearing lighter shoes. Now, they are not wearing 0 drop or minimal running shoes, but they are wearing shoes with lower drops and that have quality performance.
Matter of fact, Asia has the largest footwear market in the world, especial in the sports footwear market. They take their running and running shoes seriously, which is why the racing flat market thrives in that region as opposed to the north american region. Adidas, Nike, Mizuno sell all kinds of exotic racing flats that will never ever see the american market.
Yes, there are asians who wear standard and maximum trainers, but some of those same asians were racing flats,too. Also, they wear racing flats for style,
https://www.euromonitor.com/footwear-in-asia-pacific/reportshooo smooo wrote:
oh they are really Takumi, I have a pair that is a similar colorway but they are definitely not made anymore and old stock is either long gone or highly marked up in the greymarket
They are absolutely still being made. Easily found several new pairs being sold.
I think the point is that even if many Japanese train in shoes like westerners use, their market evidently supports shoes like the Takumi, Sortie Magic, Wave Eikeden, etc. So even if we're generalizing we still are justified in feeling envious. And for no reason other than I'm already this far along, all of my neighbor's mothers are dead so I can't check and see which clunky Asics they train in. I'd be curious what constitutes a "clunky" shoe in Japan. Do you know which clunky Asics Kawauchi trains in?
KAV wrote:
Moo Goo wrote:
80% of those who toe the line in Takumi San won't finish the race.
Some of these guys are totally clueless. Need to wonder why nobody among the elite Adidas guys has used that shoe (or the Ren) for a marathon when it was available alongside the Adios. MK weights less than 100 lbs and can afford it, rest of the world not so much.
The USA is not the rest of the world. If you can't run a marathon in Takumi Sens, maybe you should learn proper technique, or quit running altogether. The Takumi Sens are actually heavy. They make up for it with their bounciness, but they are still heavy. Light starts at under 120g. And before you carry on spouting rubbish about what's possible: I've run a marathon in Wave Universe 5 without any issue and many in Takumi Sens with the fastest recoveries I ever had.
I'm not going to bother looking for elite runners using the Takumi Sens, but I'd say Mary Keitany has had some success in them and that should count for something. Others might prefer a higher drop.
As for the 80% crap, if you've got nothing to say, just shut up.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
shoes 2019 wrote:
the Boston and adios will soon be dropped . Get use to the different versions of "ultra boost" to be labeled as a performance running shoe.
Wrong. They just released the Adios Boost 4, and they have to have a race shoe for their top adidas distance runners. Mary Keitany, Wilson Kipsang, Adola, Gladys Cherono, All the top half marathon women wear adidas,
Got to love LRC. No place like it for unfounded opinion stated as fact. Very Trumpian. Sad!
You can buy the Takumis, and many other Japanese market flats on Rakuten Global or on European shoe sites!
why post like you know? wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Wrong. They just released the Adios Boost 4, and they have to have a race shoe for their top adidas distance runners. Mary Keitany, Wilson Kipsang, Adola, Gladys Cherono, All the top half marathon women wear adidas,
Got to love LRC. No place like it for unfounded opinion stated as fact. Very Trumpian. Sad!
America Adios 4 , is the Adios 3 , but different colors that were sold in Non USA markets . Discontinue adios and boston, is on the way . bank on this cracker jack. believe me , adidas board room is not saying " lets keep Gladys happy " . Bring on the ultra boost fashion shoe.
grox wrote:
KAV wrote:
Some of these guys are totally clueless. Need to wonder why nobody among the elite Adidas guys has used that shoe (or the Ren) for a marathon when it was available alongside the Adios. MK weights less than 100 lbs and can afford it, rest of the world not so much.
The USA is not the rest of the world. If you can't run a marathon in Takumi Sens, maybe you should learn proper technique, or quit running altogether. The Takumi Sens are actually heavy. They make up for it with their bounciness, but they are still heavy. Light starts at under 120g. And before you carry on spouting rubbish about what's possible: I've run a marathon in Wave Universe 5 without any issue and many in Takumi Sens with the fastest recoveries I ever had.
I'm not going to bother looking for elite runners using the Takumi Sens, but I'd say Mary Keitany has had some success in them and that should count for something. Others might prefer a higher drop.
As for the 80% crap, if you've got nothing to say, just shut up.
Spoken like a guy that:
1) Doesnt have one (obviously)
2) Believe that he can run a marathon with a 120g shoe which is fine but why dont give it a go and see what it does to your legs. Obviously you havent either.
The Sen is 180g and the Adios is 220g. But you know better than a guy who runs 2'04....
Ubi major minor cessat....
Oh,... MK had some success because, as I said, she weights 42kg..... try it with 20-30kg more than that warrior....
KAV wrote:
grox wrote:
The USA is not the rest of the world. If you can't run a marathon in Takumi Sens, maybe you should learn proper technique, or quit running altogether. The Takumi Sens are actually heavy. They make up for it with their bounciness, but they are still heavy. Light starts at under 120g. And before you carry on spouting rubbish about what's possible: I've run a marathon in Wave Universe 5 without any issue and many in Takumi Sens with the fastest recoveries I ever had.
I'm not going to bother looking for elite runners using the Takumi Sens, but I'd say Mary Keitany has had some success in them and that should count for something. Others might prefer a higher drop.
As for the 80% crap, if you've got nothing to say, just shut up.
Spoken like a guy that:
1) Doesnt have one (obviously)
2) Believe that he can run a marathon with a 120g shoe which is fine but why dont give it a go and see what it does to your legs. Obviously you havent either.
The Sen is 180g and the Adios is 220g. But you know better than a guy who runs 2'04....
Ubi maior minor cessat....
Thixed dat 4 u.
Learn to read KAV. I have run a marathon in 80g shoes. I speak from experience.
If you've got nothing better to do than make false accusations, you've run out of arguments and you'd better shut up.
grox wrote:
Learn to read KAV. I have run a marathon in 80g shoes. I speak from experience.
If you've got nothing better to do than make false accusations, you've run out of arguments and you'd better shut up.
Dis guy
Desire Linden wrote:
I know my Hyperions are illegal based upon the new IAAF rulings. Please don't take them away.
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