Abraham Kiptum WORLD RECORD 58:18 Half Marathon

Alabama BS wrote:

How riveting!! First 3 guys all dressed in the same kit, same haircuts, look the same,etc. No wonder this sport is in decline. You could put the top 10 in a bag, shake them up and pick one out. Nobody from letsrun.com would be able to pick any of them out.

Oh yeah, did I mention all of the top 10 come from doped up countries?

hahahahahaha I love it when you racist POS go home devastated with another amazing African performance! A few of them even.

Ciao!

Same song, second verse wrote:

troll under a bridge wrote:

Would like to know more about this guy. Previous best seems to be a 59:09 from Copenhagen a month ago. Got thing in 2017 Amsterdam Marathon, won Daegu this year, seems to have run a 27:44 road 10k in Kenya.

Not gonna lie, the improvement seems shady, nothing indicates this guy was capable of the half marathon world record.

Agree 100%. Something is rotten here. A second 10k in 27:16? 2:15 marathon to 2:05? Note that his coach/handler is in Spain and that of dibaba/souileman/mikhou. As you know, Mikhou is under drug suspension.

My goodness, why is this $hit not exposed?

Juan Pineda.

Same song, second verse wrote:

Agree 100%. Something is rotten here. A second 10k in 27:16? 2:15 marathon to 2:05? Note that his coach/handler is in Spain and that of dibaba/souileman/mikhou. As you know, Mikhou is under drug suspension.

My goodness, why is this $hit not exposed?

Go on and expose it if you are so sure these Kenyans are doping. Go on. You have my full support.

Oh, you have zero evidence? That's what I thought.

Ahhhh.... Ok, thanks.

Why do we have so many people on here calling out absurd performance improvements as clearly the result of drugs when in fact these improvements are always ~ in the range that Nike claims these 4% will give?

troll under a bridge wrote:

Also, how does one measure roundabouts for a road race? This course incorporates a lot of roundabouts. Could the the straightest line during a race be shorter than the official measurement at a roundabout? Is that a factor in the fast times at the Valencia half?

It's frustrating when some of the same measuring agents approach two similar situations differently. There are absolutely rules on how far from curbs, etc. the official measurement course should be and, in my experience, certain professionals aren't employing those standards for every course they're certifying, etc.

I have zero personal knowledge of this particular event, but have heard grumblings from within the industry already this AM, and it hits a sore spot with me because I believe it happens more often than we care to admit. There are those who aggressively measure a course to milk out every possible advantage for a fast time, within the rules. There are those who "roll long" because they're either playing it safe or they affirmatively don't want the course to produce record performances. Then, there are those who play fast and loose and will certify something they know isn't appropriate for record submissions.

Again, zero personal knowledge about Valencia - but it hits a sore spot with me and it's something that needs to be addressed more than it is. We get caught up in drugs, pacing, and everything else under the sun...but a race isn't clean just because it can certify that the competitors were within the rules - the course itself can be dirty and it's shockingly easy to deal with an event on an off-distance (half marathon for instance) ratification/verification/certification effort.

I'm curious to know which "professionals"??

You are correct, there is only one way to measure a course - taking the SPR (shortest possible route) within 30 cm of all obstacles (curbs, cones, etc.). But sometimes that SPR is not always that obvious and often the absolute SPR is not always available due to crowd control fencing or other temporary physical barriers on race day.

Fortunately, the IAAF has a verification process that requires a second measurement by an IAAF Level measurer. Quite often for high profile races this is done in advance where there will be a team of at least two IAAF measurers with the final outcome, an IAAF "Pre-Verified" Course. This has been done for nearly every Olympic Games Marathon since there have been IAAF approved measurers. It was done as well for the World Half Marathon in Valencia.

My guess is Americans were banned from this race. They just don't show up where the fast running and competition take place. Fast course , fast day could have meant an American record.

Banned again wrote:

My guess is Americans were banned from this race. They just don't show up where the fast running and competition take place. Fast course , fast day could have meant an American record.

No, they all are just putting their eggs in CIM for the full and Houston for the half every year.

D.Katz wrote:

Quite often for high profile races this is done in advance where there will be a team of at least two IAAF measurers with the final outcome, an IAAF "Pre-Verified" Course. This has been done for nearly every Olympic Games Marathon since there have been IAAF approved measurers. It was done as well for the World Half Marathon in Valencia.

Agreed; quite often this is done.

Bit sus.

What was he doing 5 years ago

Who is his coach and agent?

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/abraham-kiptum-298833

D.Katz wrote:

I'm curious to know which "professionals"??

You are correct, there is only one way to measure a course - taking the SPR (shortest possible route) within 30 cm of all obstacles (curbs, cones, etc.). But sometimes that SPR is not always that obvious and often the absolute SPR is not always available due to crowd control fencing or other temporary physical barriers on race day.

Fortunately, the IAAF has a verification process that requires a second measurement by an IAAF Level measurer. Quite often for high profile races this is done in advance where there will be a team of at least two IAAF measurers with the final outcome, an IAAF "Pre-Verified" Course. This has been done for nearly every Olympic Games Marathon since there have been IAAF approved measurers. It was done as well for the World Half Marathon in Valencia.

My question is how they are measuring the roundabouts. If they are no barriers at the curb of the roundabouts, could the runners at Valencia be cutting the course by running over the curve and through the roundabout? The 2nd half of this course just seems insanely fast.

Also, I looked at the weather history and wind probably was 5-10 mph from the NW, which would help on this course in the 2nd half, but not like the wind at World Half Champs.

IAAF en Espana wrote:

Same song, second verse wrote:

Agree 100%. Something is rotten here. A second 10k in 27:16? 2:15 marathon to 2:05? Note that his coach/handler is in Spain and that of dibaba/souileman/mikhou. As you know, Mikhou is under drug suspension.

My goodness, why is this $hit not exposed?

Juan Pineda.

The real coach isn't Pineda. Is Jama Aden.

I have not seen the race video but it is highly unlikely that the runners could cut across the roundabout. The LOC is very experienced and I have confidence that the course was set up as certified.

Bluesky wrote:

I watched the full race. Is one of the greatest road race performance i ve ever seen. At the same level of Kipchoge marathon WR. 58'19" , 2'45"/km in the Half . Abraham Kiptum perfect running form, and strides,. Really impressed. Amazing race

Wow. You're not lying about the form and stride. Actually reminds me of someone I won't bother naming because this thread is already crawling with the usual trolls and I'm not going to be the one to feed them. But their forms and strides really are similar.

El Keniano wrote:

Bluesky wrote:

I watched the full race. Is one of the greatest road race performance i ve ever seen. At the same level of Kipchoge marathon WR. 58'19" , 2'45"/km in the Half . Abraham Kiptum perfect running form, and strides,. Really impressed. Amazing race

Wow. You're not lying about the form and stride. Actually reminds me of someone I won't bother naming because this thread is already crawling with the usual trolls and I'm not going to be the one to feed them. But their forms and strides really are similar.

Is this who you are talking about?

El Keniano wrote:

Bluesky wrote:

I watched the full race. Is one of the greatest road race performance i ve ever seen. At the same level of Kipchoge marathon WR. 58'19" , 2'45"/km in the Half . Abraham Kiptum perfect running form, and strides,. Really impressed. Amazing race

Wow. You're not lying about the form and stride. Actually reminds me of someone I won't bother naming because this thread is already crawling with the usual trolls and I'm not going to be the one to feed them. But their forms and strides really are similar.

Bekele.

troll under a bridge wrote:

Banned again wrote:

My guess is Americans were banned from this race. They just don't show up where the fast running and competition take place. Fast course , fast day could have meant an American record.

No, they all are just putting their eggs in CIM for the full and Houston for the half every year.

Why go to some of the world class events around the world vs CIM ( a joke) , get some experience against international competitors vs running local. Happy with being first American and getting a b standard for the trials.

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Wow. You're not lying about the form and stride. Actually reminds me of someone I won't bother naming because this thread is already crawling with the usual trolls and I'm not going to be the one to feed them. But their forms and strides really are similar.

Is this who you are talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9W3w7H_JwE

No, troll. I was talking about Desi Linden.

Another Canova coached athlete... he was yelling at him from the motorbike.

Impressive.