Jakob Ingebrigtsen: Measures higher treshold than ever before - between 21-22 km/h (half marathon under 1h as 18y)

What is this "test"?

If he hasn't run a HM in sub-60, I don't care what some test says his "threshold" is.

All the Ingebrigtsen brothers will run a 10k race this weekend in Norway.

That will be interesting

https://www.kondis.no/store-og-sterke-elitefelt-i-hytteplanmila-paa-loerdag.6158214-127676.html

fake news all day wrote:

What is this "test"?

If he hasn't run a HM in sub-60, I don't care what some test says his "threshold" is.

Educate yourself.

Half this thread has been dedicated to comparing Jakob's legit PRs to those of drugged-up 27-year-old African "teenagers." It's a bunch of cornball nonsense. Jakob is the real deal, currently one of the top clean athletes on Earth.

Carlos Lopes 27:17 at 37 wrote:

He's not African.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

But he’s been training like them for 4-5 years. And he clearly matured and developed very very early. He only has 2-3 more good years left before he stagnates.

TresholdFTW wrote:

Then why doesn't Henrik and Filip stagnate?

I thought they had.

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

What happens is he won’t be able to hold that pace for an hour.

Aside from his youth, what other athlete has gotten to 3:31/mutiple Euro titles without a whiff of injury? And it's not like he isn't racing a lot. He is freakishly durable so far, much more so than his brothers.

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

He builds up amounts lactic acid that is unable to be buffered.

Hco3 wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

He builds up amounts lactic acid that is unable to be buffered.

Obviously I was just baiting this "correct" but totally wrong 1960s broscience answer. Thanks.

Intramuscular acidity is a good, synergistic thing - it increases rates of gas exchange between blood and muscle. Conversely this increased rate of gas exchange clears acidity faster. You can test this yourself on a track by comparing all-out 200m repeats with and without being warmed up aerobically.

The real problem in longer distance races is that so-called "type 2 muscle" fatigues more quickly and starts to produce less power. Not acidity, it just gets tired or low on glycogen, which it consumes quickly. What happens then? You slow down. Or, in the classic 10,000m burnout, you change your form looking for less-fatigued type 2 muscles to take over. But these work less efficiently and have fewer type 1 muscle fibers around them to enable higher gas exchange rates to clear acid from them. THEN you get excess co2 in the blood, overbreathing to clear it, finally constricted arteries in the muscles, and the lurching gassed runner is out the back - and often going dramatically slower than before.

Ingebrigtsen is a mid-d guy. 3:31 is not going to be bothered at first by a 27:15-28:30 10k pace, and not over any kind of threshold. But those mid-d muscles start falling off after a few minutes. I would not bet on him running a sub-60 HM.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

"Etter det TV 2 har forstått ligger terskelfarten til Ingebrigtsen mellom 21 og 22 km/t. I teorien kan altså Jakob Ingebrigtsen løpe en halvmaraton på under én time, og sette norsk rekord - uten å få melkesyre i beina."

In theory, Jakob Ingebrigtsen can(altsao?) run a half marathon under that time, set a Norwegian record --??

At the bottom, it says that the equivalent would be 34 second 200s 105 times. Taken literally, that is 59:30 half.

'From what tv2 understands, Ingebrigtsen's threshold pace is between 21 and 22 kph. So, in theory J.I. can run a hm in under an hour and set a nr - without getting lactate in his legs.'

Last year's test (at about the 25 mins)

https://youtu.be/V3XSPRb9pGg

He gets up to 20km/h

Hco3 wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

He builds up amounts lactic acid that is unable to be buffered.

In the future, don’t bother responding to this guy. He is well intentioned, but he just loves info dumping exercise science babble whenever it has a sniff of relevancy. A lot of the time, he doesn’t really answer anything. Just talks.

The test consists of two parts.

1. Lactate threshold testing, where the treadmill is set on an incline of 1,7 % (air resistance equivalent to ~2:55/km outside). Then they run intervals of perhaps 4 or 5 minutes (depends on what procedure one uses), where the only rest is to test lactate (which takes around 20-30 seconds for the runner). They continue this until the runner reaches lactate levels above ~4 mmol/l.

2. Vo2-max test. Here they set the incline to 4-5 % and the runner runs at progressive speeds until he reaches exhaustion or until the Vo2 scores levels out.

almost over the hill wrote:

almost over the hill wrote:

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Jacob has been training like a pro for 10 years now. The point still stands that he is going to hit his fastest times in the next year or two if he hasn't already. You don't train like he has and peak at the shorter races 20 years in to serious training. It is time to stop using his age as a crutch about his upside.

Even if he did hit his fastest times in the next year or two, but there still going to be pretty amazing times, given that right now, in ideal races, he's probably a sub 3:30/13:00 guy at just turned 18, and unlike just about everybody in that list, he hasn't had 10 years of serious EPO use to get to those times (ie. no EPO use in his case).

I'm far from an expert, but I'd think that no matter how long he's training, it's unlikely he's going to reach his peak before 20, given that only just at the point where he might be stopping physically growing, and it would surely take the body several years to fully benefit from the training he can do now at that maturity.

A lot of great sportsmen started training very young and still didn't reach their peak until their early to mid-twenties (unless they were burnt out).

Anyway, didn't his father forbid him from training (ultra)seriously with his brothers until he was 13 or 14 or something?

Thanks for the post.

How do the Ingebrigtsen's train their threshold? Is it stuff like 400m intervals a bit faster than threshold pace with a short recovery or longer intervals right on the threshold pace?

I guess that they also avoid intense workouts while trying to build their threshold in the off season.

He may well improve for many years, especially for the longer distances, without improving his max. speed.

Most famous example:

Paula Radcliffe

Coevett wrote:

unlike just about everybody in that list, he hasn't had 10 years of serious EPO use to get to those times (ie. no EPO use in his case).

Evidence?

None. As usual.

dsrunner wrote:

On the other hand, threshold tests are outdated and simplistic thinking.

Nebulous at best, moronic at worst.

Hahaha....sure

dsrunner wrote:

Certainly, Mills, Keino, Moorcroft, McChesney, Musyoki, Gebresalassie and Lagat trained quality, as many top endurance athletes prefer running faster to slower.

You're obsessed with ''quality'' and brings this into every thread with no regards to its relevance.