VIOLAH JEPCHUMBA, a 65-minute half-marathoner and Ken-born athlete. busted for EPO.

Subway Surfers wrote:

This news is nearly 2 months old.

That's not bad at all...I just found out that Kiprop tested positive for dope. ?

Let's Get To The Bottom Of This wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Funny, but Canova, if I have properly understood him, says that elite athletes who are PROPERLY trained have no other room for improvement, rendering EPO uneffective for them. That is not to say that those that are lesser trained cannot also take a shortcut to that level via EPO.

But he's the only coach that's saying that....why? ?

Mmm. Back in 2003 an athlete called Nicholas Kemboi spent 6 weeks training with Renato.

6 weeks of good training improved him from a 62 half to 26.30 for 10000 on the track, 4th fastest of all time.

And yet the drug test result history of this particular athlete suggests exactly this.

rekrunner wrote:

You assume that she could not run faster than 69:29 clean. This is where we part.

[quote]m!ndweak wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

http://twitter.com/d9monti/status/1042401291790639105

OK can we now all accept that, given that Kenyans are being busted left right and center in huge numbers, basically every high level Kenyan distance runner should now be suspect of doping.

With this in mind, Kenya should now be banned from all international competition for 5 to 10 years. Any road race directors inviting Kenyan runners should be fined and have their IAAF accredition removed - looking at you Berlin Marathon organizers.

So instead of wasting money on testing Kenyan runners for the next 5 to 10 years, money can instead be used on now testing Ethiopian runners and should the same results start turning out, Ethiopia should be banned as well.

Anyone against these approaches or not carrying them out is simply not serious about tackling doping in distance running.

Subway Surfers wrote:

rekrunnr wrote:

No. EPO makes you slower. Look at Jeptoo (clean 2:18, doped 2:24). Kiprop (clean 3:26, dirty 3:33), and now Jepchumba (clean 1:05, dirty 1:06).

This proves that she only microdosed. The rest is mythology and the letsrun non-experts' assumptions.

Ha great gag, I'm sure Rek will be delighted to see this one.

Meh...Gary will just spin it.

You people who believe anything that the con artist Canova says are absolute gullible morons. He makes a living encouraging vulnerable and desperate African athletes to cheat. That's how he makes money which is all he wants. He knows damn well EPO works on anybody like a turbo charge and only cares about getting money from his job as an agent/pimp. He has changed his story many times as do typical liars who are caught in their BS. He started saying Kenyans don't dope at all a long time ago then changed to the BS that top Kenyans don't dope then changed to BS it doesn't work on top Kenyans anyways. This man is a sad excuse for a human being, he is low life scum and is able to get away with his BS because of gullible morons like many on this site.

gary low is now slow

what worked for paula

don't work for mo

all the bs got to go

Hfhjjgghjj wrote:

You people who believe anything that the con artist Canova says are absolute gullible morons. He makes a living encouraging vulnerable and desperate African athletes to cheat. That's how he makes money which is all he wants. He knows damn well EPO works on anybody like a turbo charge and only cares about getting money from his job as an agent/pimp. He has changed his story many times as do typical liars who are caught in their BS. He started saying Kenyans don't dope at all a long time ago then changed to the BS that top Kenyans don't dope then changed to BS it doesn't work on top Kenyans anyways. This man is a sad excuse for a human being, he is low life scum and is able to get away with his BS because of gullible morons like many on this site.

Exactly this.

Oh Please wrote:

Canova, if I have properly understood him, says that elite athletes who are PROPERLY trained have no other room for improvement, rendering EPO uneffective for them. That is not to say that those that are lesser trained cannot also take a shortcut to that level via EPO.

How to use one's brain for intelligent thinking wrote:

That is not just true of elite athletes, but of anyone.

Synthetic EPO, as with almost all medications, is simply another placebo scam that does nothing particularly useful to anyone.

almost but not quite wrote:

Hi Jon.

You misspelled Genius.

How to use one's brain for intelligent thinking wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Canova, if I have properly understood him, says that elite athletes who are PROPERLY trained have no other room for improvement, rendering EPO uneffective for them. That is not to say that those that are lesser trained cannot also take a shortcut to that level via EPO.

How to use one's brain for intelligent thinking wrote:

That is not just true of elite athletes, but of anyone.

Synthetic EPO, as with almost all medications, is simply another placebo scam that does nothing particularly useful to anyone.

almost but not quite wrote:

Hi Jon.

You misspelled Genius.

Let me try again:

Hi moran.

it's like a bug in the system detects wrote:

How to use one's brain for intelligent thinking wrote:

You misspelled Genius.

Let me try again:

Hi moran.

It's spelled moron. Moron.

Discus morons wrote:

it's like a bug in the system detects wrote:

Let me try again:

Hi moran.

It's spelled moron. Moron.

That's up for discusion.

Inside joke on letsrun, moran.

Subway Surfers wrote:

This news is nearly 2 months old.

Indeed. Don't know why Monti came up with that now...

Based off of no evidence at all, but solely and purely on faith.

rekrunner wrote:

You assume that she could not run faster than 69:29 clean. This is where we part.

rekrunner wrote:

You assume that she could not run faster than 69:29 clean. This is where we part.

That's dumb logic Gary. Dopers shouldn't be given the benefit of doubt where one minimizes their doping by saying they could run that fast without doping. That always seems to your style on EPO-positive cases and it makes you sound like a doping apologist. It's analogous to give the benefit of the doubt to students caught cheating on tests by saying it's no big deal because lets assume they could have passed the test anyway. If Jepchumba could have run that fast clean...then why did she need to dope? Huh?

That's funny.

m!ndweak wrote:

rhEPO, in recent studies have shown that they SIGNIFICANTLY increase the size and number of mitochondria....now you tell me, or anyone else on here who thinks they are smarter than jonO.....what is more important in the aerobic respitory system

1) more rbcs?

or

2) more and larger mitochondria?

here is a simple explanation. with more and larger mitochondria, a greater % of the available 02 floating in the blood is absorbed into the cell for cellular function, the most important in any exercise is that of combining 02 with glucose to created ATP. the other bonus of more and larger mitochondria is the expulsion of C02 from the cell, and a greater capacity to store Calcium, which is ESSENTIAL in the contraction/extension of muscles.

Once again, BFD. That's great for middle distance. You're laboring under myth that the marathon puts any particular stress on energy production rates at all, aerobically or anaerobically. Extra mitochondria are as pointless as extra rbc's, there's nothing for them to do.

Every top elite can run at WR marathon pace for at least long enough that it's neither near their acid threshold nor their maximum O2 consumption. In fact, it's simply not possible to approach max O2 consumption without going well above acid threshold, because you need acidic muscle to have high gas exchange rates from the blood. The only way you can use all your mitochondria is at middle distance pace, even without using drugs to boost their numbers.

This is a fact that long distance runners stubbornly refuse to get. No, distance is not more "aerobic" than middle distance. It uses less energy of all kinds. Look to other forms of fatigue to find out what limits a marathoner.