'Historic' Israel Euro 10k title - by a Kenyan!!

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Show us wrote:

Show us one other nation not in Europe allowed to compete in Euro Champs.

Cyprus.

Are they also the victim of the Muslims resulting in this?

Azerbaijan.

Kazachstan in some sports, in others they are with Asia.

Very minor correction wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Get your facts straight. She was a nanny for a Kenyan family in Israel (ambassador or chargé d'affaires, can't remember) when she met her Israeli husband, who's also her coach. I wouldn't call her plastic, but she still spends a lot of time in Kenya. Yasmin Can, on the other hand, has never lived in Turkey and refused to move there. I think going with Salpeter's near suicidal surge is what did her in.

.... but still, Israel isn't in Europe and only a teeny bit of Turkey is in it.

Israel may not be Europe geographically, but it is Europe in the same sense that the Falkland Islands is Europe, it's basically a colonial proxy state for Europe. As for the runner, the Israeli regime is happy to call whomever it finds useful Israeli and boot out whomever is not useful. They are not much different from many other states in this regard.

The "Palestinians" won gold, silver and bronze in the high jump.

They can jump extremely high...

... after they have activated their suicide belts.

What, has Lornah Kiplagat never competed at Euros? None of the Moroccan French? No (Jamaican, Kenyan, Somali) Brits?

Hard to make a case for anyone being "native Israeli" given that the national borders occupy a spot that was simply taken from the territory of another nation and is propped up by Zionists with nukes. It's a country that is built on cons, a dirty people who plot and scheme to rip-off honest others, often via victimhood.

El Keniano wrote:

She went through hell trying to represent Israel at the Rio Olympics. Here’s her story.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/tel-avivs-kenyan-born-marathon-winner-in-race-against-time-to-run-for-israel-in-rio/

Oh dear, was it harder to get hold of EPO when she was in Israel?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Eurorevision wrote:

Australia is in Eurovision - can they compete in the European Championships?

If we did, we would win more medals than Britain, just like the commonwealth games

Not like the Olympics though.

Gold Coast was a nice warm weather training trip for a lot of the British teams. For the Aussies it was bigger than the Olympics.

'Israel is culturally European'... that kind of shoots a hole on the whole idea of Israel... surely Israel should be 'culturally' middle eastern as that is their only claim on a homeland where it is. A nation built on an apartheid system where anyone who is none Jewish is a second class system and where 'dual passport' holders lobby across the world on Israels behalf.

The question whether culturally European or not is beside the point. It mainly depends who joins the EAA and a bunch of countries that are on the border between Europe and Asia but would hardly be considered "culturally European" compete in European championships. Armenia is another one. So Israel is not the only one.

What??? wrote:

'Israel is culturally European'... that kind of shoots a hole on the whole idea of Israel... surely Israel should be 'culturally' middle eastern as that is their only claim on a homeland where it is. A nation built on an apartheid system where anyone who is none Jewish is a second class system and where 'dual passport' holders lobby across the world on Israels behalf.

How does my assertion that Israel is culturally European disrupt the idea of Israel? Israel was founded by European Jews with European nationalistic ideals, and today it is for sure practicing apartheid, which is also a European notion. The whole overlay of restoring the Jews to a "Biblical" and "historical" homeland makes about as much sense as restoring the modern United kingdom to a Celtic homeland headed by a later-day King Arthur.

Josh Levin wrote:

What??? wrote:

'Israel is culturally European'... that kind of shoots a hole on the whole idea of Israel... surely Israel should be 'culturally' middle eastern as that is their only claim on a homeland where it is. A nation built on an apartheid system where anyone who is none Jewish is a second class system and where 'dual passport' holders lobby across the world on Israels behalf.

How does my assertion that Israel is culturally European disrupt the idea of Israel? Israel was founded by European Jews with European nationalistic ideals, and today it is for sure practicing apartheid, which is also a European notion. The whole overlay of restoring the Jews to a "Biblical" and "historical" homeland makes about as much sense as restoring the modern United kingdom to a Celtic homeland headed by a later-day King Arthur.

How about Jordanian, Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Turkish nationalism? Israel wasn't founded by European nationalistic ideals, it was reborn as a result of modern nationalism. As far as it being built as a Jewish homeland there are many countries-Christian and Muslim-that have national religions. As far as non Jews being treated as second class citizens, unfortunately that is correct.

But it is not in European brackets because of its Judeao Christian and enlightenment values. It participates because Malasysia, Iran and other Asian democracies refuse to compete or give them visas. Surely Israel would be more successful competing against Asians than Europeans.

Nationalism is a European construct. Period. It has been exported elsewhere, sure. The countries you mention are examples of that. As for your second paragraph, I have very little opinion on the matter. I was born in Israel and left, and I am no longer allowed to return because I have worked for justice for Palestinians. In my humble opinion Israel might have had a shot at being accepted by the Asian nations had it conducted itself with greater compassion and enlightened self interest. Instead it chose to engage in activities such as selling weapons to South Africa, enacting apartheid, etc. It is not accepted by its neighbors in part because of their own bad attitude, but also because of it's own bad attitude. All a tragedy. The fact that Israel's athletes cannot compete in some places is a shame, but the children with worms and eye problems because of fetid water on the Gaza strip is rather more sad. Don't mean to sound preachy, because I happen to love track and field. I also love humanity though.

rzere wrote:

Very minor correction wrote:

OK I misheard the details a bit, I thought they said her husband worked in the embassy. I'm not suggesting she's in Yasmin Can territory but still, Israel isn't in Europe and only a teeny bit of Turkey is in it.

Israel is culturally European, Turkey on the other hand isn't.

If Israel had to compete against Muslim countries, their athletes would get slaughtered time after time, because we all know how peaceful the Islamic religion is.

True, the colonial instinct is similar.

who the f... cares

Funny how Jews were never considered European despite living there for centuries, but when they move to what was a desert wasteland they're "European colonialists"

Of they were considered European even if bigots disagreed.

Israel was not formed on waste land, it was land stolen from people already living and farming there.

This thread seems like much ado about nothing.

Ciro wrote:

Of they were considered European even if bigots disagreed.

Israel was not formed on waste land, it was land stolen from people already living and farming there.

Malaria swamp lands, the arava and negev deserts?

Think about the rioting if Israel beat Iran in soccer, I could see lunatics trying to storm the pitch and the Iranian army having to shoot protestors. That's why Israel will never be part of the Asian sports federation.