Is Shelby Houlihan dirty?

Ill take her out for a few beers and let you guys know.

Longdistancerunning wrote:

I mean she definetlt has changed in appearance.

She looks much more masculine

2 photos are when she is relaxed. 1 photo is when she is exerting herself. Apples to Oranges.

JohnNgugi wrote:

Longdistancerunning wrote:

I mean she definetlt has changed in appearance.

She looks much more masculine

2 photos are when she is relaxed. 1 photo is when she is exerting herself. Apples to Oranges.

better?

JohnNgugi wrote:

PORTLAND wrote:

And this is why we can't have nice things. Complain that Americans aren't competitive and then when an American is competitive and actually wins, let's accuse her of doping. Awesome. You people suck.

Amen.

+1

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JohnNgugi wrote:

2 photos are when she is relaxed. 1 photo is when she is exerting herself. Apples to Oranges.

http://ktiv.images.worldnow.com/images/10998121_G.jpg

better?

and....

Everyone accusing her is a horrible person. I can 100% guarantee she is clean.

I've seen her run since high school. I would be shocked if she's doping. She ran was a 55 second 400 meter runner in high school and won state cross country, too. If you paid attention to her in college, she started out as an 800 runner, got down to low 2's, and then moved up to 1500 after having some cross country success. She's just slowly knocked down barriers. I think she'll run 1:56-1:57, 3:55, and 14:20's eventually. She'll be a gold medal contender in the 1500 in any kind of race, outside of world record pace, and a gold medal contender in a medium paced/slow 5000 meter race.

I don't think she's dirty. With that said, she's got the prettiest eyes I've ever seen. If you see her in person, you get mesmerized by then. It's kind of creepy, honestly.

fdfrdasfdsaf wrote:

I've seen her run since high school. I would be shocked if she's doping. She ran was a 55 second 400 meter runner in high school and won state cross country, too. If you paid attention to her in college, she started out as an 800 runner, got down to low 2's, and then moved up to 1500 after having some cross country success. She's just slowly knocked down barriers. I think she'll run 1:56-1:57, 3:55, and 14:20's eventually. She'll be a gold medal contender in the 1500 in any kind of race, outside of world record pace, and a gold medal contender in a medium paced/slow 5000 meter race.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Guess what? Your body changes over time and responds to repeated bouts of stressors (weight training, mileage, ploymetrics). I'm sure she eats a ton better than she did in college. She is a pro athlete now doing everything possible to be the best in the world. A distance runner getting lean and showing muscle definition isn't a sign of doping. Out of competition testing has all but put a stop to steroids, so there is no way she is going that to gain the little muscle she has gained. Given how fast Mary Decker ran in the 1980's, you really think someone 30+ years later with better training techniques, better shoes, and better track surface can't run 3:57? Give me a break. She deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. I'm a fan of the sport and choose to believe she is clean, as are just about all other US distance runners right now. Now, if she goes 3:52 by the end of the season, you may have a point, but 3:57 isn't that fast. She is just now arriving at the world class level and now proven that she can beat some of the best runners on any given day. Now lets see her do it a championship after running 2 rounds. Very different game.

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JohnNgugi wrote:

2 photos are when she is relaxed. 1 photo is when she is exerting herself. Apples to Oranges.

http://ktiv.images.worldnow.com/images/10998121_G.jpg

better?

Screw your discussion. I will tell her to cut her time down to 4 seconds rather than 7 to satisfy cynical jackasses like you. Only time will tell. Other than that, enjoy cynical jackieass.

I highly doubt it.

Longdistancerunning wrote:

I mean she definetlt has changed in appearance.

2018:

https://expo.advance.net/img/81863adedf/width960/70a_shelbyhoulihan05.JPG

2016:

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a70813e61bb86c0b5e6221cb7ced222d9ecddfde/c=422-0-3762-2511&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/08/16/IAGroup/DesMoines/636069702791072790-USATSI-9469937.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_J2J-eX1p8F7ZJpvQlY4lfghFclGBkM_EQ4nd0ZhTYPvLruOj

She looks much more masculine

Worst post of the year! Show me pictures of Quigley, Coburn etc.. They get more fit with hard work. Moron posting this bs!

jahanghir khan wrote:

I haven't seen a 1500m runner run away from a top class field in such suspicious circumstances since Makhloufi.

I hate threads like this but this reminds me of Makhloufi and Regina Jacobs at the end of her career.

If Ephraimson ran 3:57 next year kicking down world elites with 2% body fat, people would be asking questions too.

No she is not dirty. You simpletons are missing it entirely. It’s all about the French bread. And you doubters and haters can stick it where the good Lord split it.

Shelby is clean as a whistle. I don't see BTC getting popped for even slight indiscretions similar to the Oregon Project and everyone knows that Jerry Schumacher is the best professional coach in distance events.

First off, Shelby is an all-time talent. Look at all her high school achievements and then what she did as a Sun Devil. Once in a generation for a state like Iowa.

Second, everyone knows that she was low mileage. She was originally an 800m runner. ASU moved her up to the 1500 and then got her in cross country shape. She was the PAC 12 champ her senior year beating a very deep field and was a multiple time All-American. Now she's probably doing some bigger mileage with Shalane and Emily Infeld at the BTC.

Third, she's mentally tough. Shelby comes from a small town in Iowa where the weak do not survive. Survivorship bias comes into play here.

Fourth point, her biomechanics are near perfect and she doesn't have a lot of the unnecessary crossover motion in the upper body that weaker runners suffer from. She's gotten stronger with BTC and will continue to dominate.

Lastly, she's never trained in a country (won't mention specifics) or with a group of runners who are constantly associated with doping.

when she sees this thread she will know she has officially reached the top. You have to be suspected of doping to be a real elite.

Ask a family member, friend, former coach, former teammate, or anyone that has personally known Shelby, if they think there’s a somewhat reasonable chance she is doping. I can almost guarantee they will all say they believe with 99% certainty (you can never be absolutely sure) she is clean.

Those people’s opinions of her character matter a lot more than the rest of these uniformed, purely speculative comments.

To be honest though, Shelby has achieved what I’ve always aspired to: To become so good, you get accused as doping. It’s when you know you’ve truly become elite... so CONGRATS SHELBY... you’ve made it!

The issue is NOT DRUGS.

The issue is that men and intersexed men are competing in women's events.

And NOTHING is being none to put a stop to it.

Let's forget all about drugs, get rid of the testing, the accusations, everything.

Let's focus on solutions to keep men and intersexed men out of the women's events from now on.