casual obsever wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Or perhaps they're the same person?
Maybe. I've long thought that flagpole is the same person too, considering how boldly he comes up with the most ludicrous statements, and then declares himself to be THE expert on the topic - while consistently being proven wrong.
Ssssh no Flagpole, this a running site ?
Contrarian C wrote:
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, at least not on the first page of this thread is this: Kiprop is about the freakiest looking dude I've ever seen run. Can you name someone with a better body for running? Talk about lungs on legs. Nothing about him looks remotely normal. If I had his body I'd expect to run sub 4:00 while 20 pounds over weight. Think of Brody Hastey who is running about 4:00 for the mile. You guys don't think Kiprop can run 15 seconds faster? Maybe, maybe not.
Was he on drugs? I'd guess yes, but at the same time it really IS expensive to fight an organization like the IAAF and WADA when you look at the history and it's practically a kangaroo court so you're better off keeping your money and finding out who your close friends are.
If he's innocent I can't blame him for giving up if it would mean he could lose all of his money on legal fees. That's no way to have the doping system setup, where you can't even afford to defend yourself. I'm not impressed with the situation at all.
His physique was used as a reason why Kenyans are do good.
This has been shown to be bs. Look at Coe and Cram similar times over 1500m completely different physique.
It's bs and down to lack of testing same as a certain tall retired sprinter.
Asbel obviously backed off the juice in London or he would have been busted like some of his teammates.
Don’t waste your sympathy on Kiprop. He’s not a good guy.
I strongly believe that any athlete caught doping should have their entire career up to that point wiped clean.
I cannot understand caught dopers retaining medals they won in previous years, or retaining world records etc.
That would be a real deterrent, worse than a lifeban.
Athletes are welcome to return after 4 years and try and win something then as a clean athlete. I don't believe in life bans because all humans make errors.
But everything they 'achieved' up to the point of their positive test should be eradicated.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Don’t waste your sympathy on Kiprop. He’s not a good guy.
He always looked like the sneaky type to me. ?
Anyone else think that Kiprop's writing is similar to JAKIR?
Money woes wrote:
Legal defense is $50K a month commitment
Not every country is like America.
Contrarian C wrote:
Can you name someone with a better body for running? Talk about lungs on legs.
Geb
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Contrarian C wrote:
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, at least not on the first page of this thread is this: Kiprop is about the freakiest looking dude I've ever seen run. Can you name someone with a better body for running? Talk about lungs on legs. Nothing about him looks remotely normal. If I had his body I'd expect to run sub 4:00 while 20 pounds over weight. Think of Brody Hastey who is running about 4:00 for the mile. You guys don't think Kiprop can run 15 seconds faster? Maybe, maybe not.
Was he on drugs? I'd guess yes, but at the same time it really IS expensive to fight an organization like the IAAF and WADA when you look at the history and it's practically a kangaroo court so you're better off keeping your money and finding out who your close friends are.
If he's innocent I can't blame him for giving up if it would mean he could lose all of his money on legal fees. That's no way to have the doping system setup, where you can't even afford to defend yourself. I'm not impressed with the situation at all.
His physique was used as a reason why Kenyans are do good.
This has been shown to be bs. Look at Coe and Cram similar times over 1500m completely different physique.
It's bs and down to lack of testing same as a certain tall retired sprinter.
Asbel obviously backed off the juice in London or he would have been busted like some of his teammates.
I don't think Coe and Cram had significantly different body types to top African runners at all. Coe has a short torso, slim long legs, high calf muscles, very emasculated upper body with twig thin arms and no chest. He looks exactly like a Silas Kiplagat or someone in my opinion. Or maybe a Nijel Amos.
Certainly very different to Clayton Murphy or Nick Symonds.
So he's saying he doesn't have a case, thought so. wrote:
So the case against him is water tight, thought so.
"I'm financially weakminded" - Shouldn't have doled out all that tea money. Anyway, he'd have plenty of shekels that he's made from the sport, so just another BS statement.
how classic, i just tried to comment on this thread and i got hte error 403 or whatever saying the thread was deleted...
this is so pathetic and comical. ben johnson was sabotaged, as he had unmetabolized winstrol in his urine sample but he got busted anyway
now you have kiprop making some asinine excuse that that fanboys all believed, then came out later that it was all about some $32 bribe....now it was $32 for tea or something, now its he is too poor to afford to fight it! haha and the fanboys still support him. you fanboys are like the people in a cult, you believe the LIE all the way to drinking the cyanide kool aid.
maybe kiprop could afford the court battle if he wasnt spending $32 on tea all the time. or my guess is that rosa and co were taking a HUGE % of his winnings and appearance fees, then tack on what he spend on booze and stupidity and bribing the testers.
a guy as clueless and arrogant as kiprop behaving much like NBA and NFL guys who go broke the moment they retire or have a career ending injury....i imagine rekrunner, canova and ghost will try to spin this somehow and argue and argue and argue. but as i said back when ROSA got arrested...kiprop was going to run slow or get popped....what happened? hahah BOTH
then renato argued and rekrunner argued and both insulted me and instigated till i had enough, then talked sh*t to canova that one of these days this myth would come crashing down and it would be a great day when him and rosa were exposed as frauds. i was deleted and banned pretty soon after that, and guess what? well kiprop got busted and the brojos allowed me back on.
i tell you all know, with the big man kiprop no longer able to stay "clean" in the new testing in kenya, there will be a huge fear going on, and boom you will watch, more will be planting potatoes, claiming injury, and running SLOWER....but there will still be the ones trying to risk it and booom busted, busted busted.
predictions
3:33-35 for kenyans, 3:31-32 at monaco
13:05-13:10 for kenyans
27:20s for kenyans
2:06-08 for kenyans
the heat is on, the mighty proud and arrogant kiprop has fallen and now EVERYONE in kenya will start to fear.
naaah who am i kidding, EPO doesnt work, and poor innocent kiprop cant afford to clear his name cause he drinks too pricey of tea
Those predictions are actually stupid, just so you know.
ex-runner wrote:
Those predictions are actually stupid, just so you know.
How so?
yeah please do explain
without the benefits of EPO, there goes 7-8 seconds, then monaco is 2-3 seconds fast
or are you still on this myth that EPO doesnt work? ok how fast was kip? 3:26 monaco, what did he run last year after rosa was under the heat?
or lets check this list
1 3:28.80 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI 05 JAN 1993 KEN KEN 1 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017
2 3:29.10 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KEN KEN 2 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017
3 3:30.77 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KEN KEN 1 Stockholm (SWE) 18 JUN 2017 (he is now doing potatoes in wake of kiprop and rotich drama, nothing to see here)
4 3:30.89 Ronald KWEMOI 19 SEP 1995 KEN KEN 1 Nairobi (KEN) 24 JUN 2017
5 3:31.05 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KEN KEN 2 Nairobi (KEN) 24 JUN 2017
6 3:31.34 Sadik MIKHOU 25 JUL 1990 BRN BRN 1 Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017
7 3:31.49 Sadik MIKHOU 25 JUL 1990 BRN BRN 2 Stockholm (SWE) 18 JUN 2017
8 3:31.63 Aman WOTE 18 APR 1984 ETH ETH 3 Stockholm (SWE) 18 JUN 2017
9 3:31.90 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI 05 JAN 1993 KEN KEN 1 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017
10 3:32.03 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI 05 JAN 1993 KEN KEN 3 Nairobi (KEN) 24 JUN 2017
11 3:32.20 Aman WOTE 18 APR 1984 ETH ETH 1 Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017
12 3:32.23 Silas KIPLAGAT 20 AUG 1989 KEN KEN 2 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017
13 3:32.27 Bethwell BIRGEN 06 AUG 1988 KEN KEN 3 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017
14 3:32.32 Sadik MIKHOU 25 JUL 1990 BRN BRN 1 Praha (CZE) 05 JUN 2017
15 3:32.34 Ronald KWEMOI 19 SEP 1995 KEN KEN 3 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017
16 3:32.48 Filip INGEBRIGTSEN 20 APR 1993 NOR NOR 4 Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017
17 3:32.59 Charles Cheboi SIMOTWO 06 MAY 1995 KEN KEN 2 Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017
18 3:32.66 Vincent KIBET 06 MAY 1991 KEN KEN 4 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017
19 3:32.87 Timothy CHERUIYOT 20 NOV 1995 KEN KEN 5 Doha (QAT) 05 MAY 2017
20 3:32.94 Yomif KEJELCHA 01 AUG 1997 ETH ETH 2 Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017
21 3:32.96 Silas KIPLAGAT 20 AUG 1989 KEN KEN 3 Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017
22 3:32.97 Justus SOGET 22 OCT 1999 KEN KEN 4 Nairobi (KEN) 24 JUN 2017
23 3:33.17 Asbel KIPROP 30 JUN 1989 KEN KEN 4 Stockholm (SWE) 18 JUN 2017 this will be the new norm in places not called monaco
I reiterate what I have been saying all along, but it bears repeating: Kiprop is a cheating moron, and anybody who believes his lies is a fool.
There were so many inconsistencies and implausibilities in his story that it was laughable. I still would dearly love to cross-examine him on the statements he made.
This all goes back to a few euro “coaches” (or more accurately, drug pushers), mostly Italian. The whole thing is a scam and takes advantage of some of the most noble human qualities such as a celebration of life, honor, and hopefulness.
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Sprintgeezer wrote:
I reiterate what I have been saying all along, but it bears repeating: Kiprop is a cheating moron, and anybody who believes his lies is a fool.
There were so many inconsistencies and implausibilities in his story that it was laughable. I still would dearly love to cross-examine him on the statements he made.
This all goes back to a few euro “coaches” (or more accurately, drug pushers), mostly Italian. The whole thing is a scam and takes advantage of some of the most noble human qualities such as a celebration of life, honor, and hopefulness.
+1.
Also, that "bribe" was just a smokescreen. Ok, so it's customary for Kenyans of means to hand out money to random strangers, but that never explained how the EPO got in his sample. There was never a plausible explanation for that key detail.
I don't even slightly believe that EPO doesn't work. However your predictions are still stupid.
For a start, the levels you have predicted aren't even slightly similar. 13:05 is much better than 3:35. Much better than 3:33 even.
Those marathon times are a joke also, 2:08 is a laughable time and I expect athletes of all nations to continue to smash through that, without EPO.
There's over 40 athletes under 2:08 this year, including a big bunch of Kenyans. And Eliud made 2:04 low look like a jog in the searing heat of London. So where is this effect of increased testing in Kenya causing athletes to not run under 2:06?
Also the world lead is already 3:31, set right at the end of May. Kiprop tested positive in November. I'm sure his fellow Kenyans would have heard whispers back then, even if it wasn't until March when the AIU went to Kiprop's home.
So if they have indeed started a 'new era' of testing in Kenya, then 3:31 in a tactical race is still the standard we can expect. Which indicates 3:29/3:30 in Monaco.
Here's my prediction: nothing changes.
Kenya will continue to have no serious contenders in the 5k/10k and the events will be dominated by Ethiopia and now Uganda and USA with Chelimo.
Kenya will dominate the 1500m. Monaco will be sub 3:30 despite only 3:31 last year.
Eliud will do his thing. Probably break the WR soon.
Kenya will be up there in the 800m as always
Kiprop ran 3:26. That's another level and perhaps indicates something fishy. 3:30 is so far away it's a joke (watch Monaco 2015) and 3:33 or 3:35 is just not worth talking about.
Same with Jebet, she ran 8:52 when nobody else can break 9 mins. Or Sumgong, winning the London marathon after falling at the start and getting concussion. Outlier performances.
no YOURE hilarious wrote:
Barrel of Laughs wrote:
This is probably a ~3:30 guy at best where doping put him in the superhuman 3:26 category.
You talking about Bernard Lagat?
Moran. Lagat was a 3:26 guy. Centro is a 3:30 guy.
I'm financially weak to challenge my accuser the IAAF whom I have always worked hard for to bring the best in me for the sport and myself. However I'm rich in TRUTH and sincerity, this seem to mean nothing.
I have let the struggle to proof my innocence go. Not because I doped but I take the sacrifice because I support the anti doping campaign.
Kiprop is right. Good for him speaking up.
He's another in a long line of runners who've been banned, not for doping, but due to greed and politics.
m!ndweak wrote:
So he's saying he doesn't have a case, thought so. wrote:
So the case against him is water tight, thought so.
"I'm financially weakminded" - Shouldn't have doled out all that tea money. Anyway, he'd have plenty of shekels that he's made from the sport, so just another BS statement.
how classic, i just tried to comment on this thread and i got hte error 403 or whatever saying the thread was deleted...
this is so pathetic and comical. ben johnson was sabotaged, as he had unmetabolized winstrol in his urine sample but he got busted anyway
now you have kiprop making some asinine excuse that that fanboys all believed, then came out later that it was all about some $32 bribe....now it was $32 for tea or something, now its he is too poor to afford to fight it! haha and the fanboys still support him. you fanboys are like the people in a cult, you believe the LIE all the way to drinking the cyanide kool aid.
maybe kiprop could afford the court battle if he wasnt spending $32 on tea all the time. or my guess is that rosa and co were taking a HUGE % of his winnings and appearance fees, then tack on what he spend on booze and stupidity and bribing the testers.
a guy as clueless and arrogant as kiprop behaving much like NBA and NFL guys who go broke the moment they retire or have a career ending injury....i imagine rekrunner, canova and ghost will try to spin this somehow and argue and argue and argue. but as i said back when ROSA got arrested...kiprop was going to run slow or get popped....what happened? hahah BOTH
then renato argued and rekrunner argued and both insulted me and instigated till i had enough, then talked sh*t to canova that one of these days this myth would come crashing down and it would be a great day when him and rosa were exposed as frauds. i was deleted and banned pretty soon after that, and guess what? well kiprop got busted and the brojos allowed me back on.
i tell you all know, with the big man kiprop no longer able to stay "clean" in the new testing in kenya, there will be a huge fear going on, and boom you will watch, more will be planting potatoes, claiming injury, and running SLOWER....but there will still be the ones trying to risk it and booom busted, busted busted.
predictions
3:33-35 for kenyans, 3:31-32 at monaco
13:05-13:10 for kenyans
27:20s for kenyans
2:06-08 for kenyans
the heat is on, the mighty proud and arrogant kiprop has fallen and now EVERYONE in kenya will start to fear.
naaah who am i kidding, EPO doesnt work, and poor innocent kiprop cant afford to clear his name cause he drinks too pricey of tea
You don't think Kenyans can't run faster than 3:33/(3:31Monoco) clean? You don't think any Kenyan could run at least Willis' PB of 3:29.67 clean? I'm using Willis' time because it's the fastest non-African time in the ABP-era and 2nd fastest non-African time ever behind Cacho's 3:28.95 set in 1995. However, I think Cacho's time is too suspicious being set in the unrestricted EPO use-era and the doping culture than existed with the Spaniards...so, IMO, in a question mark (?) goes there.
I don't see anything suspicious with Willis, e.g., no scandals, no ties to doping coaches/doctors, no doping culture with NZ/Australia, etc. So, for argument's sake I'll go with Willis' time as the fastest non-African, and presumably clean & green. Now, certainly a Kenyan should be able to run at least run his time clean? (unless you think Willis is doped?).
M!ndweak, do you have a 1500 meter cutoff time that you think is unattainable clean?
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm