Our hurdlers would regularly break 2 for 800 in HS. These were largely guys that could barely break 40 (if that) for the 300m intermediates. She could do it with focused 800 training.
Our hurdlers would regularly break 2 for 800 in HS. These were largely guys that could barely break 40 (if that) for the 300m intermediates. She could do it with focused 800 training.
Next we will be told that Rai Benjamin can break 1:40.
I could see her run times in the 2:02-4 range for the 800. She has incredible strength being a 400 hurdler. Just for comparison my high school teammate ran 49low in the open (much like she could) and had the speed to be one of our 4x1 leg members on a 42-second squad. He competed the open 800 for us running 2:02 to 2:04 for us at meets. I’m sure Sydney could run that too if she was put into an 800 with a little more focus on that kind of endurance work in practice. As far as the 600, yeah who couldn’t imagine she runs a 1:25 in the event. Okolo’s faster than that. Watson ran 1:08 at 500 last year and she hurdles.
Are those times for Duckworth open races or deca times?
Lets do this. U20 championship.
600 meter race
Sydney McLaughlin
Sammy Watson
Caitlin Collier
Who else?
She outran Keni Harrison in the 200 flat this winter. Let's ponder and see if this gives us any insight as to whether she is a 200/400 sprinter or a 400/800 runner...
Let it Rupp wrote:
Every good 400 runner thinks they can move up to the 800. After all, a 60-second 400 would be "jogging" for a 50 second runner. Just like Usain Bolt could "jog" a 42-second 400, right?
No, no one can run a 42 second 400.
However, Bolt can "jog" a 48, which would be a closer equivalent to Sydney running 2 flat.
400 hurdlers are known for their strength. They would probably be the equivalent of 500-600m specialists on the flats.
ironside wrote:
She was an extremely slow high school XC runner, two or three miles. High school coaches would not race McLaughlin at any distance longer than 400m. College coaches would not race McLaughlin at any distance longer than 400m. There is no logical basis to assume McLaughlin is a 2:00 800m runner. Unless someone has seen her train, any statement regarding McLaughlin as an 800m runner is based on something else besides evidence.
What does cross country have to do with the 800m?
I can rattle off several 1:45 guys who are terrible at cross country.... most 800m runners don't even run cross country in college.
I don’t know if she could hold on she already can’t for the 400 sometimes, maybe if she trained. She ran a little high school XC and I don’t know her exact times but they weren’t good. (I don’t actually know if she was trying or not). I think it might have been 25 or 27 for a 5k
Yes but if you can run an 800 you should stop be able to run descent in xc. A lot of high school runners are good at both. Josh Hoey, national 800 record holder, he’s in my district and he placed 2nd (to the state champ) and like pretty high in states.
i wouldnt say she would have won it, but she potentially might have.some 400 runners and hurdlers make brilliant 800 runners.
Ilovetorun557 wrote:
Yes but if you can run an 800 you should stop be able to run descent in xc. A lot of high school runners are good at both. Josh Hoey, national 800 record holder, he’s in my district and he placed 2nd (to the state champ) and like pretty high in states.
Read a book sometime, dumb dumb.
I guess because this is a distance running board, people entertain this idea. Running the 800m would be foolish for McLaughlin. It's an event that has been historically dominated by doped up Eastern Europeans and she-males. Nothing has shown that she coupd compete with even the USA's best at the distance not named Ajee Wilson. She has the opportunity to be the best 400m hurdler EVER and one of the best 400m runners ever, along with world class 200m speed and countless relay medals. Why pass up that opportunity and compete an event where she will be lost in the pack?
Think of it like this:
Can all talented 5k runners step up and run the 10k well?
Can all Milers step up and run the 3200 well?
Can all 800 runners step up and run the mile well?
It doesn’t matter the difference in these distances. The common denominator here is that they are all DOUBLE THE RACE DISTANCE. It’s incorrect to think that doubling your race distance is just that simple. Usain Bolt quit pursuing the 400, despite excelling at the 200. I’m not saying she couldn’t run it fast, but it’s much more complex then “just running another lap”
its not to complicated people! wrote:
the contraction would've is the answer wrote:
if you think "would of" is the correct grammar, you are sadly mistaken.
"Would of" is the correct grammar in this situation. "Would have" could of worked in this situation to, but the later is used less then the former these days
No. "Would of" is not and will never be correct. "Would've" would be totally fine, but "would of" suggests to me that you didn't graduate from middle school.
McLaughlin has never raced 800 meters or a leg in the 4 X800 relay at NB indoors our outdoors.
Everyone who knows anything about track knows who Sydney McLaughlin is, and knows that she has been performing spectacularly as a sprinter. Nobody with any brains at all would try to turn her into a middle distance runner.
Why are all the active threads trolls?
ironside wrote:
She was an extremely slow high school XC runner, two or three miles. High school coaches would not race McLaughlin at any distance longer than 400m. College coaches would not race McLaughlin at any distance longer than 400m. There is no logical basis to assume McLaughlin is a 2:00 800m runner. Unless someone has seen her train, any statement regarding McLaughlin as an 800m runner is based on something else besides evidence.
Her 100m time this year confirmed she is a 'true' sprinter. Very much like Felix, the only thing stopping her from being great at the 100 is an inability to explode out of the blocks. True sprinters generally don't even want to run the 400 and the 800 is a marathon. Without a lot of training, when sprinters run the 800, they start to break down around 500m, when the race becomes aerobic and are completely lactic at 700m. With all of the said, I actually agree with the OP in that Sydney could have won the NCAA 800 or at least would have been competitive. I am not saying Sydney could be a world-class 800 runner, but the NCAA 800 was not a world-class race. I say that because it was not a world-class performance. A 50 point 400m dash and 52x 400 hurdlers can certainly be competitive in a 2:04 800m race.
I would argue that the NCAA 800m was run in difficult conditions as well. It was raining and water had accumulated on the track. It took either 2:03 low or 2:02 high to qualify for the final and a couple runners had season bests under 2:01. Arguing that McClaughlin is capable of running under 2:04 in some ideal circumstance is a different argument than saying she could have run sub 2:04 in the circumstances presented at NCAA's. I'm not saying she could have or couldn't have, but I think people are not giving credit to the athletes who ran the race or giving respect to the challenges that were presented during that particular race.
This Sports Illustrated article says she wanted to run the 800 at the Kentucky Relays in place of a workout but decided against it. Floréal said he wouldn't let her do it, but thought she could run 2:03 or 2:04 based on her workouts.
https://www.si.com/edge/2018/06/07/eldrick-floreal-kentucky-track-and-field-coach-sydney-mclaughlin