All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Take your slow recovery runs or fartlek runs on an abandoned gold course conversation somewhere else.
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Take your slow recovery runs or fartlek runs on an abandoned gold course conversation somewhere else.
the430miler wrote:
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Take your slow recovery runs or fartlek runs on an abandoned gold course conversation somewhere else.
If you don't want to read other opinions, why are you posting here?
the430miler wrote:
I do 4 hardcore track ladder workouts per week. In spikes. Tons of 400s in 50ish and tons of 200s in 23.
And this is why you only run 4:30. Dude, you have to be trolling because only moran would train this way.
the430miler wrote:
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Really? This is what you are going with?
Kids, this is why you shouldn't read LRC.
PTF wrote:
the430miler wrote:
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Take your slow recovery runs or fartlek runs on an abandoned gold course conversation somewhere else.
If you don't want to read other opinions, why are you posting here?
I'm not here to read other opinions. I'm here to give mine. I've been running competitively for over 30 years. There's no training philosophy out there that I'm not fully educated on. That being said, long slow running makes long slow runners. I could debate you to death with scientific facts against the benefits if the weekly long, which has now been thrown out if concensus by every professional coach in tbe world. Liberals love junk miles and quantity. Conservatives love quality and workouts that have a true meaning to them.
I've had many track coaches in my life,
And if we were on the track, then it was an all out day or very very close to all out. It breaks my heart when I see other coaches having their kids do 100s or 200s on the track and say SLOW DOWN. it's bullchit and is hurting their potential. If you wanna run slow, then go do an ultra marathon and get off the track.
The ONLY time any of my coaches supported slow running is if you are trying to lose enormous ammounts of weight for health reasons. Not for training reasons.
Weekly long run
the430miler wrote:
PTF wrote:
If you don't want to read other opinions, why are you posting here?
I'm not here to read other opinions. I'm here to give mine. I've been running competitively for over 30 years. There's no training philosophy out there that I'm not fully educated on. That being said, long slow running makes long slow runners. I could debate you to death with scientific facts against the benefits if the weekly long, which has now been thrown out if concensus by every professional coach in tbe world. Liberals love junk miles and quantity. Conservatives love quality and workouts that have a true meaning to them.
I've had many track coaches in my life,
And if we were on the track, then it was an all out day or very very close to all out. It breaks my heart when I see other coaches having their kids do 100s or 200s on the track and say SLOW DOWN. it's bullchit and is hurting their potential. If you wanna run slow, then go do an ultra marathon and get off the track.
The ONLY time any of my coaches supported slow running is if you are trying to lose enormous ammounts of weight for health reasons. Not for training reasons.
I guess the secret to your vast knowledge is your open mind.
with a junior running 3:51 for 1500m and a sophmore running 1:55/402 double and coaching female with new to the sport in 16:09. Don't worry we are in Southern hemisphere!
One of my coaching quotes is ' I will never tell you to speed up or run faster but you can certainly be sure I will tell you to slow down'
If only Cook had told me this when as a young freshman in college I was trying to keep up with Abdi and crew! Oh you don't know Abdi as your too young. Just 3:30 & 1500m World Champion
the430miler wrote:
PTF wrote:
If you don't want to read other opinions, why are you posting here?
I'm not here to read other opinions. I'm here to give mine. I've been running competitively for over 30 years. There's no training philosophy out there that I'm not fully educated on. That being said, long slow running makes long slow runners. I could debate you to death with scientific facts against the benefits if the weekly long, which has now been thrown out if concensus by every professional coach in tbe world. Liberals love junk miles and quantity. Conservatives love quality and workouts that have a true meaning to them.
I've had many track coaches in my life,
And if we were on the track, then it was an all out day or very very close to all out. It breaks my heart when I see other coaches having their kids do 100s or 200s on the track and say SLOW DOWN. it's bullchit and is hurting their potential. If you wanna run slow, then go do an ultra marathon and get off the track.
The ONLY time any of my coaches supported slow running is if you are trying to lose enormous ammounts of weight for health reasons. Not for training reasons.
It's pretty clear why you only ran ~4:30. I know you're trolling, but still.
the430miler wrote:
Here's the deal. Let me elaborate on this.
I'm fully aware that coaches are not supposed to pound their athletes the day before a race. If a runner wants to hurt himself the day before a race, then that's his own fault. However, I feel like a coach should allow their runners to go with the flow, and if they are feeling it, then just let them be. Let them roll with it and it will probably benefit them in the long run.
Running is a lot like life. We need to let the good times roll, because there aren't many good times in life anyways. I'm also aware that some coaches want the last set or the last rep to be the fastest, physiologically speaking.
I'm just just really against negative coaches who put limitations on their athletes and tell them to slow down. It makes no SCIENTIFIC sense from a psychological or physiological perspective.
Nope.
the430miler wrote:
I've been running competitively for over 30 years.
A 4:30 mile wouldn't even qualify a HS kid to the second round of my states three week tourney. Competitive my a$$.
the430miler wrote:
There's no training philosophy out there that I'm not fully educated on.
Do you know about the DANCAN system? I THOUGHT NOT! Get back to me when you can run 20 magic 400s, bro.
the430miler wrote:
Liberals love junk miles and quantity. Conservatives love quality and workouts that have a true meaning to them.
What. The heck. Is this.
You are as loony as JS, wallytommypat, and cottenshit.
the430miler wrote:
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Take your slow recovery runs or fartlek runs on an abandoned gold course conversation somewhere else.
This is the most ASININE STATEMENT i have read here in a long time. Good luck to you and any guy you coach (i doubt it)
the430miler wrote:
I'm not here to read other opinions. I'm here to give mine. I've been running competitively for over 30 years. There's no training philosophy out there that I'm not fully educated on.
Dunning-Kruger on full display.
Supernova xc wrote:
Michigan xc coach wrote:
I never tell my athletes to slow down during practice. I will, however, tell them to pace themself while I am on the sideline yelling at them during races because I don't want then to go into lactic asid.
This. Train hard as you can and racing will be easy.
Way to open for interpretation. Kids have no idea how 'hard' is hard. Or the consequences.
Wrong.
Example 1:
Steady state runs...training your body to increase lactate threshold. Going to fast is just going to make you go lactic.
Example 2:
If you go too hard in every track workout you are working yourself too hard. Watch work out Wednesday with Adams state doing 14x600. After the last one the coach has them check their heart rate at certain time intervals to get an idea of how hard they are working because he doesn't want them to be going all out just to hit the pace.
the430miler wrote:
All Track workouts are meant to be all out.
Sure, do all of your workouts developing the same systems while ignoring the others. I hope your not coaching now.
Let’s kill this thread. This 430 guys an idiot.
If workouts happened in isolation, I would obviously agree completely. However they usually take place in a broader context of the overall training plan. Going nuts in a workout on a day where you are feeling great can leave you more fatigued than planned for upcoming days.
Also, some workouts have specific goals for them, goals that can be avoided by going too hard. If the goal is to do a light VO2/speed session with a long threshold HM session the day after, smashing the VO2 intervals because they feel easy and you're on a good one can easily leave you too fatigued for the following days session.
Donzo wrote:
Let’s kill this thread. This 430 guys an idiot.
You must be new here :)
A good coach knows when to go fast and when to recover
Not the case for a young athlete
They need to trust the coach to prepare them