17 yr Jakob Ingebrigtsen closes in 55, runs 3:39 & LRC goes nuts. 17 yr George Manangoi closes in 55, runs 3:35 and silence

El Keniano wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Unlike some I'm willing to believe those guys' ages, but do you really deny that many East Africans in the past were much older than the age on their passport?

"Many"? What does that even mean? 70% -80%? Truth is, we've had nothing more than a handful. That's all. And this isn't about the few who cheated but George Manangoi. Again, what is it about him that makes you think he could be in his 20s?

Many would be all of the top juniors. each year. What makes us think he's 20? He's Kenyan!

Coevett wrote:

The above Kenyan actually won the world youth championship 1500m in 2009 in 3:35 at '15 years of age', then went backwards every year.

And here is the 15 year old prodigy. You're right Wejo. We are complete and utter racists for getting a little more excited about Jakob than the latest Kenyan teen sensation.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Gideon+Kiage+Mageka/IAAF+World+Youth+Championships+Day+Five/5z8Efz_7SLY

wow, you really believe he was calling you a racist? too stupid to read between the lines, you don't even know when someone is on your side. not surprising really

Hydlide wrote:

Hey remember when Norway had a systemic doping programme, and a bunch of "teenagers" who turned out to be both 25 and doped to the dorsals?

No? Well, there's your answer.

This Ingebrigtsen kid is legit.

Baby Manangoi is likely as fraudulent as big bro.

Look I understand some of the reasons it didn't get a lot of attention but I think the Manangoi's are huge talents and I'm excited to see what George can do?

Do you think all Kenyan runners are doping? I definitely don't. I think certain groups do.

To say Kenya has a systematic doping programme is inaccurate. Kenyan runners have been found to be doping but so far nothing systematic has been found out about it. Feel free to argue it's even widespread.

Manangoi's dad was a very good 400m runner. Do you think he was doping too?

A guy just emailed me because he couldn't post this:

Doesn't mean anything being on that list one way or the other but I think he wanted to make the point there isn't a Manangoi on the list but there is an Ingebrigsten. Point is all runners are under suspicion but you act like you know Manangoi is dirty.

We've had what one Kenyan 1500m runner test positive (the best one) and now they're all dirty. The thing with Kenyan is the have 20-30 world class guys in every event. Much more numbers than other countries.

Coevett wrote:

In his IAAF profile pic he looks about 30.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/george-meitamei-manangoi-320934

I’m seeing a pimple faced 17 year old in that photo.

Did you maybe forget to mention who is manager of that doper (Justus Soget)?

Name it a-hole - ROSA so FO.

no idea what his age is, but Manangoi is already good and will run 3:31-32 this year at least. We cannot trust Kenyan age claims because certification is highly uncertain, as many articles have shown. Ingebrigtsen, who is definitely 17, took a quantum leap forward with this win, not because of the time but because of the competition he beat. Of course, at champs, he'll need to close around 51-52 in 3:35 to have a shot at a medal, so he's got a long way to go still, but he's making huge strides now to take Chelimo, Jenkins, Centro, and the others.

crumpet wrote:

he could be 17, give or take 7 years

Exactly, and his peak year will be 19 right before they start testing him.

ROSA man wrote:

Did you maybe forget to mention who is manager of that doper (Justus Soget)?

Name it a-hole - ROSA so FO.

Rosa is doping high school kids now? Nice reasoning.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

crumpet wrote:

he could be 17, give or take 7 years

Exactly, and his peak year will be 19 right before they start testing him.

Hi genius. All Kenyans born after the 1970s were probably born in hospital and have legit birth certificates. The days of being born in the verandah or next to the grain silo while mum was harvesting grain are over. Get over yourselves with your inadequate education system that makes you ignorant of lives in another countries.

Coevett wrote:

3/ This sport is truly dead if the webmaster of the leading running forum thinks the most important issue this week is whether we are racist for praising Jakob's run.

Really strange and bizarre how so many Americans bring race/racism in to so many things.

El Keniano wrote:

ROSA man wrote:

Did you maybe forget to mention who is manager of that doper (Justus Soget)?

Name it a-hole - ROSA so FO.

Rosa is doping high school kids now? Nice reasoning.

No, Rosa will know how old this cheat is.

I have a question to El Keniano or Native Son, with regards to the “age discrepancies” and “birth certificates”. I was reading a book for a public health course and it described how some families (I think this may have been Tanzania, though) would falsify ages for their children because it was a way to get them into better schools (or something akin to that). Was this an existing phenomena in certain (probably impoverished) parts of Kenya as well at times?

Also I don’t really know why people get so hung up on young Kenyans running fast times, fast is fast who gives a sh*t how young they are. I get that you can speculate on improvement based on the age, but why not just wait and see instead of getting so angry all the time

Flo’da boy wrote:

Also I don’t really know why people get so hung up on young Kenyans running fast times,

Because this is LR and that's what we do, have you ever read the Rupp, Rossi, Radcliffe, Semenya, etc threads?

I'm more excited about Ingebrigtsen because of his progression, and the obvious talent base he comes from, and the way he and his family are re-writing a few things we thought we knew already. Also, he's likely a 5K and higher guy, so has already shown a range that's worth watching.

A Kenyan I've never heard of running fast isn't as interesting, because I can't find anything to read or learn about them, and I have a reason to believe they're 25 and not 17, and there's a pretty good chance they're doped because that cover is getting pulled back.

Plus with Ingebrigtsen's brothers, plus Moen, we're seeing something cool here. It never made sense to me that countries that are so good at XC skiing, for example, were no longer turning out distance runners. Maybe the tide has turned again. That's all this is, Wejo.

Now, to figure out why Belgium doesn't create awesome XC runners. Oh, it's because all those kids jump on bikes at a young age and start working hard. Funny how that works.

I think its because George doesn't have the Quote of the Day above the fold on LRC.

Thanks to the Gagenly subtitles of the TV show, I feel I know more about Jacob and his family than about the guys I train with every week. Probably the best story going on in the sport right now. And very unlikely to be doping training as a group without seeming to have the dicey connections of so many other pros. Not to mention growing up with cameras in your daily business. A very open family, I doubt I would allow the same access to mine.

Age cheating related.

Plus it's more common for a Kenyan to run fast.

Why wouldn't he be? There is literally nothing saying that implies his morals are too high to dope a kid. Either way, I will never be supportive of an athlete coached by Rosa, if Soget was clean he would have gotten a new coach.

Now I think also it's likely many of these athletes are older than they say, but not by as many years as others here claim.

Justus looks quite young and Manangoi as well, they may be 19-20 but said they were younger to race in u18.

wejo wrote:

We've had what one Kenyan 1500m runner test positive (the best one) and now they're all dirty. The thing with Kenyan is the have 20-30 world class guys in every event. Much more numbers than other countries.

Partly right but last statement incorrect.

London Women's Olympic marathon Champion

Rio Women's Steeplechase Champion ( still trains in Kenya)

It wouldn't be so worrying but it's only the last few years any proper testing was done.

I don't think all Kenyans are doping but do believe s lot of the too ones are.

Kiprop has shown no runner has run 3:26 clean unless you still believe the B test or Else EPO G.

Its now blatantly obvious sub 12:40 was doped.

20 seconds off workd record in a decade as always suspect but now ... come on!

The cat is out if the bag.