...any news on him?
...any news on him?
Kenyan Kamakya finishes 16th in 2:40.18
Absolutely heartbreaking. Couldn't watch after the last fall.
I really wanted C. H. to win, but really didn't give a shi* about the loss. I just hope he will recover and nothing serious will happen. Wtf is wrong with the public? At least ask him if he need help or call someone.
That was maddening to watch. Can't believe he didn't get any help. When you collapse at 40k you're NOT GOING TO FINISH THE RACE!
Callum may have just lain there and did not want to get up -- disappointed with himself. That could be a reason why they didn't help. Photos might be for liability reasons. Anyway, I hope he is okay -- he is a tremendous talent -- and he can explain later what happened.
call_hawk_ftw wrote:
The only one who is maybe stronger on paper is the 44 year old ex barber Mungara... but he ran the hong kong marathon the 21th january (he won in 2:13). What do you guys think?
It turns out that your prediction was WRONG again.
Stop here... wrote:
Callum may have just lain there and did not want to get up -- disappointed with himself. That could be a reason why they didn't help. Photos might be for liability reasons. Anyway, I hope he is okay -- he is a tremendous talent -- and he can explain later what happened.
Are you a moron?
He was trying to get up for minutes but his body wouldn't let him
Ghbggguugguhg wrote:
Bermuda guy (Butterfield) finishes 12th with a NR of 2:26.29
Congratulations...
BTW: he is a international level triathlete (not a runner)
I wonder how clueless those who make these rules are? If someone is in that state for a minute to 3 minutes and is not within 5 meters of finish line, the organizers should waive any rights to the athlete and his management team and call an ambulance to cater for the medical needs of the athlete on humanitarian grounds. Are we waiting until someone dies before something is done?
actual reality is different wrote:
call_hawk_ftw wrote:
The only one who is maybe stronger on paper is the 44 year old ex barber Mungara... but he ran the hong kong marathon the 21th january (he won in 2:13). What do you guys think?
It turns out that your prediction was WRONG again.
lol how can you say that "maybe stronger on paper" is a prediction?
CRIME BUSTER wrote:
I wonder how clueless those who make these rules are? If someone is in that state for a minute to 3 minutes and is not within 5 meters of finish line, the organizers should waive any rights to the athlete and his management team and call an ambulance to cater for the medical needs of the athlete on humanitarian grounds. Are we waiting until someone dies before something is done?
Agreed, There is a point at which the athlete isn't capable of making a rational decision. It's the same thing with boxing. There's no doubt that many boxers would get carried out on their shields rather than quit - think of the last Ali v Frazier fight, where an all but blind Frazier wanted to go out for a last round, but was stopped by Eddie Futch - but at that point, heart or will is ahead of common sense. I don't doubt at all that an athlete as committed as Hawkins clearly was would be willing to run themselves just about to death to reach the line.
In the same way, even if you gave the benefit of the doubt to Hawkins carrying on after the first fall, after the second fall it was abundantly clear that someone needed to step up and say "stay down, it's over" in the same way that a referee is enabled to stop a fight, irrespective of a what a fighter wants. I admit that it's pretty difficult to have someone monitor all the runners in a marathon, but there is a point where, particularly in those kind of temperatures, a system of faster response should be in place. It's easy to imagine Hawkins staggering to his feet one more time, and hitting his head on one of those high curbs -which I had been dreading before he went down for the second time - and there would have been a real tragedy.
Of course, if common sense was still a common commidity, someone would have jumped the barrier and told Hawkins stay down, and got into shape and got some water onto him and into him.
This has the feel of tragedy almost on the level of Himalayan climbing disasters. Obviously he is alive, but beyond that...??
Just watched the footage and yeah, it's a real shame, but can't help but think there's been a bit of a daft social media over-reaction in terms of criticising the response.
This wasn't a mass participation event, it was a very small "elite" (if we're calling the Commonwealth games that) field. It obviously happens on a bridge were there's limited vehicle access. He's still in motion, trying to get back up, pretty much the whole time. Then the officials do actually get to him in what must be 2/3 minutes tops.
Not exactly lying inanimate for half an hour, with flies swarming him, and disinterested locals poking him with a stick as they pass - which reading twitter is what you would have thought had happened...
Yep he is top level ironman triathlete. Hasn't got the typical runner build..
Watched the second half in bed, it was quite late UK time and I'd toyed with switching off as Callum looked like he had it in the bag. Pretty hard to watch what happened. But I was nervous earlier on that he seems to have trouble holding himself back in the marathon. He was two whole minutes up on the defending champion when he went down.
I wonder what races he will plan now, will he go for a paced city race in the autumn?
The silver lining was a surprise bronze for fellow Scot Robbie Simpson, well done to him.
Commonwealth Games Vancouver 1954. Didn't we learn anything!
Idiots.
They should be prosecuted...or at least fired!
portsea57 wrote:
Commonwealth Games Vancouver 1954. Didn't we learn anything!
Idiots.
They should be prosecuted...or at least fired!
This is shocking, watching Shelley run past Hawkins like that was a lesson how cold top level has become.