All of the above seems to relate to 5K runners. What do you guys think about easy runs for marathoners?
My limited experience tells me one thing for sure: easy must not be very much slower than 1:00 min/mile off of goal marathon pace. I have not experienced the effects (or maybe I just don't know if I have) of running easy runs too fast. I do believe it would be ridiculous to try to do easy runs at marathon pace.
What do y'all think?
it is........i see these guys running on their easy days running around Madison and they aren't blasting mile after mile every day.Brett is 100% correct
brettman10k wrote:
Except everyone here is under some weird assumption that if you run your easy days fast, then that improves performance. Look at the schools' talent you just listed. If they all are 4:05 milers, then 6:00 pace is jogging. Besides, Wisconsin doesn't do that. I know exactly how Wisconsin trains and let me tell you, it is less than overly intense. My best friend is one of the assistant coaches. It's a large emphasis on LT and long easy days.
yes but 6 minute pace isn't blasting, i know for the most part, when i run 6 minute pace, u can't tell the difference between it and when i am running 630
plus, i'd venture to say once these guys run lets say 6 weeks at 80-100 miles of 6:30 pace, it becomes 6:20 pace, 6:15 pace etc...
but i do know one guy that went to arkansas, ran with the guys but could not handle it, he was 3:46 going in, never heard from again. 6 min was simply too fast.
but other guys, johnny mac just gets them to stay with it and great things happen, even guys who ran like 730 pace in HS.
also, arkansas doesn't normally run over 8 miles for a regular run. then they have a 14 mile long run.
M- AM 4 miles 6:45-7:00 pace. PM- workout
T- AM 4 miles " " PM- 8 miles 6 minutes or better, weights
W-same as monday
T-same as tuesday
F- 5 miles at 6 minute pace (at least early in the season)
S- meet
S-14
workouts: 5-6 miles
this would be like, 4 +2+6+2 =14 on M,W,Su (42 miles)
12 on T,Th (24 miles)
5 on fri (5)
Saturday- 3 up, 5 race, 3 down (11)
82 miles. Which is about right.
6 minute pace---not including morning run pace.
yes, you are correct in what you say. spiker has addressed this on various threads on this board when explaining badger miles to inquiries about them.
yes but wrote:
plus, i'd venture to say once these guys run lets say 6 weeks at 80-100 miles of 6:30 pace, it becomes 6:20 pace, 6:15 pace etc...
Most kids in College need to slow down. On your rest days, if you hammer nothing is going to happen. But your body is just going to get that much broken down. And your not going to get all you could from the faster days. If it feels like your hussling then your moving two fast. And if your only racing the 5K at close to 5 min a mile why the hell are you doing your training close to six? Koman did that, but where is he now?
If I could be Komen or any American runner, I would choose Komen. I would say that it must have worked pretty darn well for Mr. Daniel Komen.
Kjell wrote:
No, Geb doesn't run 8:00 miles-but he doesn't run 6 minute miles, either. By most account, the bulk of his mileage is around 6:30-and this is a 12:39 guy. Why should a 13:50 college kid be running his mileage faster than Geb? A few times a week during base phase, fine. But during the season, in between work outs, it is just foolish. Another problem is everyone on the team thinks they need to run the same pace. We had a 13:25 guy, and the 15:30 guys ran the same pace on their "easy days." Of course, on work-out days, they couldn't come close to keeping up. And two years later, they are still running 15:30's.
Don't no if this was said but here's the difference:
Geb runs excess of 100mpw routinely with no worries about conference meets and peaking thrice a year. He has to save himself.