Predictor wrote:
It’s pretty impressive. How many Americans have run that fast at 17? We have had many fast high schoolers but most didn’t hit that time until 18-19 years old.
Blake Haney ran 3:44 the summer after his junior year. I think he graduated when he was 17, but I could be wrong. Guaranteed that he was 17 or younger for that 3:44 though.
double talk wrote:
tough to tell as well as we don't know there training but, if he solidly progresses in his career, next Nick Willis?
Why?? Just because he's a Kiwi? Seems kind of racist. He might be the next El G.
Coevett wrote:
We also have George Mills who as a 17 year old in 2016 ran 3:44 (2nd only to Jakob in Europe) and 1:48.36 (1st in Europe u18). Unfortunately he must have gotten injured early last season.
Jake Heyward won the European u20 1500m last year at 18 (the race in which Jakob fell) and Markhim Lonsdale won the silver in the 800m.
If you go back just the last few years to around 2013 there are about 5/6 17 year olds that have run 3:45 or faster
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
We also have George Mills who as a 17 year old in 2016 ran 3:44 (2nd only to Jakob in Europe) and 1:48.36 (1st in Europe u18). Unfortunately he must have gotten injured early last season.
Jake Heyward won the European u20 1500m last year at 18 (the race in which Jakob fell) and Markhim Lonsdale won the silver in the 800m.
If you go back just the last few years to around 2013 there are about 5/6 17 year olds that have run 3:45 or faster
*In the UK
It says right underneath the picture that it is the women's 100m.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Mayton Curphy wrote:
You know nothing about Priddey and have never seen him run, but you come onto this site and spout bs left and right. What a clownjob.
How do you know that I have never seen him run? Perhaps you might be wrong, 100% wrong. Ouch!
So I take it you are the coach? Or am I wrong?
It's not just "the likes of Rekrunner and Ventilo". How many times do we see that we "can never compete with Africans" because of junior age-cheating, and because testing is a joke in Kenya and East Africa?
Coevett wrote:
I think it's partly that they lose confidence when they're sent out to world junior competitions and they get destroyed by doped up 25 year old African age cheats. Then they probably come on to forums like this and read the likes of Rekrunner and Ventilo telling them that they can never compete with Africans.
MyKey wrote:
[It's a good run by a young talented kid.
There's a few who have done this in the UK even fairly recently, there's always someone under 18 in the 3:45 region, it's uncommon but not otherworldly. There's a few on the list who have run 3:40 or so before their 18th birthdays (1st or 2nd year U20s)
Was this a New Zealand age record or something?
Seven u-18s ran 3:44 or faster last season, five of them were Africans so we don't really know if they were as young as they say :
https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middlelong/1500-metres/outdoor/men/u18/2017?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=trueIf you think I'm being racist, this guy ran a 12:55 5000m as a '17 year old'. Here is a photo of him at '16' after winning the world u20 5000m :
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kKgF5WV_VWI/maxresdefault.jpg
This is bottom feeding stupidity. Since when has phenotype determined someone's age?
Here is the Irish U20 4x200 sprint team.
http://www.kilmarnockharriers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Under20Senior-men.jpg[/quote]
You use a photo of 19 year old Irish sprinters to disprove that a 16 year old Ethiopian who looks 25 years old and is running world best times for 25 year olds is not an age cheat?
Great performance! He had a good race finishing 2nd to Jackson Sharp at the Australian Champs last year. 17 year old Sharp has since opened this season with a 3:46 in December and a 14:25 5,000m debut last week.
There are plenty of cautionary tales of early developers that were unable to continue to improve .......Matthew Shirling 3.44.11 at 16 and that remains his PR to this day!
[Vquote]sub4@40 wrote:
There are plenty of cautionary tales of early developers that were unable to continue to improve .......Matthew Shirling 3.44.11 at 16 and that remains his PR to this day![/quote]
And most great runners were 'early developers' who continued to develop
Blinky Bill wrote:
[Vquote]sub4@40 wrote:
There are plenty of cautionary tales of early developers that were unable to continue to improve .......Matthew Shirling 3.44.11 at 16 and that remains his PR to this day!
And most great runners were 'early developers' who continued to develop[/quote]
Few truly great runners excelled hugely at a really young age like 15/16. Not if that's their real age anyway.
Running great times 'for a junior' mostly gets you nowhere. If you run great senior times as a junior then that's different. Like 3:34 at 18 for example like El G or Rudisha running 1:44 at 18.
Not really wrote:
Blinky Bill wrote:
[Vquote]sub4@40 wrote:
There are plenty of cautionary tales of early developers that were unable to continue to improve .......Matthew Shirling 3.44.11 at 16 and that remains his PR to this day!
And most great runners were 'early developers' who continued to develop
Few truly great runners excelled hugely at a really young age like 15/16. Not if that's their real age anyway.
Running great times 'for a junior' mostly gets you nowhere. If you run great senior times as a junior then that's different. Like 3:34 at 18 for example like El G or Rudisha running 1:44 at 18.[/quote]
So you need to be an average junior or really great junior to succeed as a senior, in between say 3.44 at 17 is destined for failure. What other theories do you have about our sport?
Blinky Bill wrote:
Not really wrote:
And most great runners were 'early developers' who continued to develop
Few truly great runners excelled hugely at a really young age like 15/16. Not if that's their real age anyway.
Running great times 'for a junior' mostly gets you nowhere. If you run great senior times as a junior then that's different. Like 3:34 at 18 for example like El G or Rudisha running 1:44 at 18.
So you need to be an average junior or really great junior to succeed as a senior, in between say 3.44 at 17 is destined for failure. What other theories do you have about our sport?[/quote]
No there's just no strong correlation between times as a junior and times as a senior.
The exception is that if you run 3:34 at 18 you can already compete with the seniors.
With 3:44 for example, you cannot compete as a senior, and so hope to develop to do so. Doesn't happen for everyone. Some kids will come from running 3:55 and make it.
Coe was running 1:56 or something at 16 and other greats like Rudisha were running 1:47 or something.
PBs at a young age depend so much on many factors like injury, opportunity, current training and physical development it's difficult to see strong correlation between the times run as a kid and what you can do as a senior.
What were the Under 18 pbs of all Rio Olympic semi finalists then? Hint, your theory may suck.
Here is Max Burgin running his 1:49 world record for a 15 yo (at 15 years and 1 month).
Blinky Bill wrote:
What were the Under 18 pbs of all Rio Olympic semi finalists then? Hint, your theory may suck.
I obviously can't be arsed to do that but I'll quickly highlight a few in the men's 1500m final at the 2017 WC.
Kiprop: 3:35, legend.
Ingebristen: 3:55
O'Hare: 3:50
Holusa: 3:56
Cheruiyot: earliest I can see is 3:34 at 19
Mechaal: 3:53
Willis: 3:42
El Kaam: 3:50
Lewandoski: 3:48
Ok so bit of a mixed bag as I stated. Cheers.
Blinky Bill wrote:
What were the Under 18 pbs of all Rio Olympic semi finalists then? Hint, your theory may suck.
Something to say Bill?
Gregson 3.43
Getting good results along the way is inevitable if developed correctly. No point being negative every time you see a good result, enjoy it. 6sec PB by the kiwo kid who was already 2nd at Australian Championships last year is great.
Blinky Bill wrote:
Gregson 3.43
Getting good results along the way is inevitable if developed correctly. No point being negative every time you see a good result, enjoy it. 6sec PB by the kiwo kid who was already 2nd at Australian Championships last year is great.
So you are choosing to just totally ignore you are wrong, cool ?
