Moen. 2:05. Wins Fukuoka. How??

Congratulations. I don’t think we should question all fast times. Kenya may have doping and testing problems but it does not mean all fast times are inherently suspect. I don’t buy canova’s argument that EPO doesn’t work on Kenyans but I don’t think everyone is a cheat. Unless I hear other information I think this is an inspiring run for lots of talented athletes .

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Renatosmiracle wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up for us Renato and delivering us a replay of Lance's "I'm sorry for those who don't believe in miracles" speech from 2005.

How about some hard data, like his VO2Max? Surely you must have noticed there was some untapped potential there when you started coaching him? His training must have been exceptionally poor before yours to allow for such improvements ! The guy couldn't run two consecutive 3'40/km sessions? Is this a joke? A 3hr marathoner can do that...Hope you don't top yourself when this guy gets what's coming to him.

I think Renato was saying that after a long hard workout, Moen's legs were tired and found the next day at 3:40 to be tougher than it should have been.

Hard to tell if you're a great troll or a bad idiot

shorters stache wrote:

Congrats to you and Sondre on the performance.

^This. Awesome stuff.

thanks a lot, great info

Did he train in the vaporfly? Honestly, I think it's the shoes. Look at what Shalane did in NYC, a tough course. The Vaporfly's hard to get so not everyone has them. Total advantage. They are way lighter than the Adios, a heavy shoe.

My question for Renata is what shoe did he train in? Shalane said she couldn't be without the shoe, think she trained in them, but not sure.

Congrats to Moen and you as the coach Renato! :) To me it was no surprise he ran 2.05.38. I told in beforehand that he after the Valencia half in 59.48 should be able to run the marathon in 2 x 59.48 + 5 min = 2.04.36 ! .....and because he is marathon prepared to stay the distance. He has during the year lowered his 5000m down to 13.20 and also been faster at 10000m ......To me this performance was just normal according to his former times at shorter distances and prove once more that mathematics and running results are very closed connected to each other. :)

Also one very,very important thing have now been proven once more......It`s of very high importance to run the distance aerobic work at the runners very best individual pace!!! Moen have now difficulty to run slower than 3.40 min/ km in training you say. It`s like I "preach" all the time.....To reach your optimal capacity as a middle-longdistancer the 3 most important factors to develop are maxVO2-pace, lactic threshold pace and at last the very best individual aerobic power distance pace. Cheers!

COACH J.S

Well said coach! Can you please explain why our American marathoners are so poor on the world stage and slow in comparison to other athletes from around the world. Yesterdays effort by Moen shows non africans can run fast. We just don't run fast, we don't compete internationally. What can be done in your opinion?

I believe it. People do not understand how breakthru's occur. He mixed up his training, altitude, got the shoes, and broke thru. If he was a Masters athlete, he'd be thrown under the bus the same way. It's tiresome reading about it here.

So bored of people posting that it's better to have a native of a country set a record, rather than an immigrant.

Nationalism and racism are tools used by power elites to control and divide people. Has worked great for centuries. Nationalism is also a top tool for attracting and motivating cannon fodder too, which the rich and power elites use to cement their positions and line their pockets.

Referring to Cathal Lombard & EPO?

Your mistake, and the confirm you are an idiot, is already in your nickname.

There is no Renato miracle, because this is what is possible to do, if you have good talent, you dedicate some year of your life to train for reaching the best possible personal performance, you have continuity, motivation, you follow a good training plan, and you do all this in high altitude, better if in not comfortable conditions, because, how Shaheen explained to the journalist of Supersport (South African TV) who interviewed him after his WR, "all what I need, till when I want to be the best in the World, is 4 walls, 1 top, 1 bed and two blankets because Iten is cold. This because my life is running, resting, eating and sleeping. I can't be tough with myself if I look for a comfortable daily life".

Technically, this is possible for many European or American athletes with good talent. Practically, how many can accept to have a similar situation ?

So, the level of individual performances depends on the individual choices of life, not on the doping of "other athletes", that is the justification for what YOU are not able to do.

No miracle, but all these ingredients together. And, when you do a similar choice of life, is because you have very strong and deep moral values, you believe in yourself, and as first behavior you refuse to cheat yourself (yes, because to take doping is to cheat yourself, before cheating the other athletes).

What there is, is the attempt to teach moral principles and the social rules to my athletes, to make athletics enjoyable in spite of very tough training, to reinforce the values of solidarity with other athletes within the ambience they live, and to explain WHY EPO DOESN'T WORK IF YOU TRAIN AT TOP LEVEL IN ALTITUDE (Black, White, Chinese, New Zealander, Italian, there is NO POPULATION out of this rule, WHEN THE PREMISE IS TOUGH AND PROPER TRAINING), so not only who tries to use is a cheater, but is also an idiot spending money and risking for having NO advantages (apart the idea that finally can increase volume and intensity of training because, finally, now can recover the fatigue), and for reaching something that can reach at the same level with more confidence in himself, from the beginning and in clean way.

But, of course, for all people blinded by the stereotype that only doping can produce results, this is something incredible, living in a society where we are stimulated to get every kind of supplement also if our life is behind a desk without moving for 8 hours every day, and we don't use one drop of our energy.

You are doped people, at mental level, and don't understand that in this way you destroy not only the idea of sport and society, but yourself as first action, since the widespread suspicions about every situation involving OTHER person NEVER can allow you to reach something positive in your poor and empty life.

Renato Canova wrote:

The quality of his training improved day after day. In January, it was for him difficult to run two following days between 3'45" and 3'50" per km, because his legs were stiff and tired after a normal workout. Today, he's not able running slower than 3'40", an sometimes I had to force him to run at regeneration speed, not faster the 3'45".

The increase of his aerobic base gave him the opportunity to have frequent sessions with high volume of km at HM speed (between 2'47" and 2'52" per km) and at Marathon speed (between 2'57" and 3'02" per km), and now these two different speeds are normal in the development of his training.

Renato, you pass over the real weight of this change. One reason people are so skeptical is that you haven't given an answer to the question "why was he not able to train day-to-day at 3'45" before, but now he is." You say it is a mental state and a commitment of the athlete to training and health, but so many runners in the US try to make that transformation but run into physical walls trying to run 70-75% of MP daily while recovering from workouts.

We see that most clearly at the collegiate level, where runners with various backgrounds get burned out by programs that traditionally run fast. A few individuals make a jump, but as a whole, suggesting that everyone should increase their aerobic base by means of faster distance runs hasn't played out in reality.

I expect you to say that those athlete who don't find success weren't actually committed athletes. Is that your reaction?

Hey Coach JS, there's an Irish guy plagiarising your work and training plans and selling it off to unknowing mormons in the US.

I think he picked you as he has the same initials but mostly because he likes your style.

Keep an eye on him here:

https://www.strava.com/discussions/club/187128/posts

Renato Canova wrote:

But, of course, for all people blinded by the stereotype that only doping can produce results, this is something incredible, living in a society where we are stimulated to get every kind of supplement also if our life is behind a desk without moving for 8 hours every day, and we don't use one drop of our energy.

You are doped people, at mental level, and don't understand that in this way you destroy not only the idea of sport and society, but yourself as first action, since the widespread suspicions about every situation involving OTHER person NEVER can allow you to reach something positive in your poor and empty life.

This kind of savagery is inspiring.

sizematters? wrote:

guy is built like a tank for a marathoner. i know hes listed at 5'10 140ish? but 140 appears to be an underestimate, given the size of his quads/hams. makes me wonder if guys like true (and formerly, solinsky), despite the conventional wisdom, could be very good marathoners, given the size of their engines.

Look at De Castella

You shouldn't be wondering. Of course they can.

All the answers are in Canova's post. Here's the nutshell version:

White Americans are mentally doped; they question all fast times because they don't know what it means to dedicate oneself to achieving a goal. They think they are working hard, but they really have no clue what it means to work hard. This white European is a model for westerners to emulate. 4 walls, 1 top, a pillow and 2 blankets: - that's all that's necessary. Throw out the smartphones, the heart rate monitors, the underwater treadmills, the cable TV, the processed food, the drugs, the alcohol, the defeatist mentality that faster runners are cheating. Thank you RC.

Coach JS is the king wrote:

Hey Coach JS, there's an Irish guy plagiarising your work and training plans and selling it off to unknowing mormons in the US.

I think he picked you as he has the same initials but mostly because he likes your style.

Keep an eye on him here:

https://www.strava.com/discussions/club/187128/posts

It`s okey. The number of persons that will try to plagiat my training system will be much more in few years.

But it doesn`t bother me. They can`t plagiat my brain, and they don`t know exactly how it functions with

"inbuilt periodization " and so on.

COACH J.S

"nerto" has got it right. Can more Americans run 2:05- 2:06, absolutely . Are they prepared to commit themselves body and soul like Moen did, absolutely not. American elite's are training hard but not hard enough. They would never make the commitments that Moen did. The U.S. problem is not lack of talent but lack of character.

nerato wrote:

All the answers are in Canova's post. Here's the nutshell version:

White Americans are mentally doped; they question all fast times because they don't know what it means to dedicate oneself to achieving a goal. They think they are working hard, but they really have no clue what it means to work hard. This white European is a model for westerners to emulate. 4 walls, 1 top, a pillow and 2 blankets: - that's all that's necessary. Throw out the smartphones, the heart rate monitors, the underwater treadmills, the cable TV, the processed food, the drugs, the alcohol, the defeatist mentality that faster runners are cheating. Thank you RC.

Sounds about right, it's all in the head, who would have thunk ? And you wonder why it doesn't happen all the time ?

In the meantime we still don"t know whether this guy's VO2Max is exceptional as it should be and Renato realized he had untapped potential before agreeing to work with him...wait he's a Nike athlete, was he maybe considered for the Sub2 project and tested there ?