John Ngugi and Daniel Komen won at 5k without having a finishing kick
It can be done
John Ngugi and Daniel Komen won at 5k without having a finishing kick
It can be done
When Mo wins this way you're all just full of hate and scorn.
CDA wrote:
MOTT wrote:She just exploded on that final 300m.
Anyone know the final 3000 split?
Final 4000m is more significant... 11:15 for her!! That's 14:03 pace.
So happy for Obiri! I would have rather seen a fresh Ayana vs a fresh Obiri, but that duel was incredible nonetheless.
Wow to 14:03 pace! It was amazing running after the first 800, but that's super amazing!
For those who are wondering who Obiri, this is her outkicking Meseret Defar a little over 5 years ago. So she is not new as a phenom.
Congrats to Muir, first clean finisher.
Obiri in interviews sure seems hardcore for a Kenyan woman. Serious Iron Lady- don't F with her!
scorpion_runner wrote:
not at 5000m . Dibaba has beaten her there . Vivian has beaten her there. and now Obiri has beaten her twice.
At shorter distances you need a kick...you saw what happend to mo yesterday.
Yep, he waited to use his KICK, and he lost, as did all the other kickers except Edris. The same in the men's 1500 today, the front runners ran away from the field. So much for kickers always winning.
Ayana was tired today from the 10k, and also the pace was too slow.
I knew from the pace the first lap that Obiri would win. Too bad they didn't run hard all the way.
scorpion_runner wrote:
we just agree to disgree. Ayana lacking finishing ability just leaves her vulnerable at 5000m.
Komen who had no kick at all ran away from Geb the kicker, who totally gave up the last 100 meters.
You have no clue what you're babbling about.
Angry Willy wrote:
Fernando Mamede
Mamade ran 48s for 400 meters, and had a very fast kick.
Carlos Lopes was the champion overall, and his fastest 400 was 56 seconds.
Olympic Games
Silver medal – second place 1976 Montreal 10,000 m
Gold medal – first place 1984 Los Angeles Marathon
World Cross Country Championships
Gold medal – first place 1976 Chepstow Long course
Gold medal – first place 1984 New York Long course
Gold medal – first place 1985 Lisbon Long course
Angry Willy wrote:
Fernando Mamede
Athletico wrote:Ron Clarke
Paula Radcliffe
uh, no. Mamede had some serious finishing speed. I believe he finished a 13:12 5000 with a 52 last lap.
Please use your brain wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:we just agree to disgree. Ayana lacking finishing ability just leaves her vulnerable at 5000m.
Komen who had no kick at all ran away from Geb the kicker, who totally gave up the last 100 meters.
You have no clue what you're babbling about.
Ha. Well, evidently I do, because she has gotten destroy 2 years in row in the last 400m - no kick.
My points is as a runner you have to be 3 dimensional. She is one dimensional, and her tactic will not work for he like it does at 10000m. Plus Hassan is about to concentrate on 5000m. And if Dibaba can get her head together, Ayana will have a very hard time getting wins at 5000m
Ayana was fresh. She only had one race this year. Women( tirunesh, Vivian, molly huddle) double all the time. So stop with the excuses.
She lost - badly.
scorpion_runner wrote:
pretty much. that is what people don't understand. when you start getting to 5000, 3000m, 1500m, 800m
You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
When Dibaba beat Ayana in 2015, Dibaba was at the top of her game, Dibaba was behind Ayana speed for speed. Ayana tried to break away so many times, and when it got to 400m - it was over. Obiri just did the same thing.
No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
They were both running serious world record pace, obiri was right there with no signs of slowing down.
There was simply nothing ayana can do. I like her, but she is just a one tactic runner.
Think about this, Tirunesh broke the world record at 5000m by having an insane last lap, not by going out at WR pace and turning the screw.
Dibaba got destroyed by Ayana. The idea is to run 67 66 65 64 to break someone. Not 65 66 68 68 etc.
Remember after the prelims when you said that Rowbury had a good chance at a medal? That wasn't very wise.
Kid running after kipchoge wrote:
Ayana's only chance was to run a WR pace, but a stupid first 2 pedestrian laps cost her the race.
Ayana's own stupid fault for jogging the first 800 in 2:40+ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why are you all patting yourselves on the back so hard? Most people knew/picked Obiri to win this race.
Please use your brain wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:we just agree to disgree. Ayana lacking finishing ability just leaves her vulnerable at 5000m.
Komen who had no kick at all ran away from Geb the kicker, who totally gave up the last 100 meters.
You have no clue what you're babbling about.
Geb had the last laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TrkL8OqxJUcheck the contest wrote:
Why are you all patting yourselves on the back so hard? Most people knew/picked Obiri to win this race.
That's not what I recall, so please provide stats.
Details please ; wrote:
check the contest wrote:Why are you all patting yourselves on the back so hard? Most people knew/picked Obiri to win this race.
That's not what I recall, so please provide stats.
Well 28 of the top 30 contestants in the prediction contest picked Obiri to win. I realize that is a selection bias, but that is an overwhelming number. I guarantee if one of the site employees provided the percentage of people who were picked to win the w5000m that Obiri would have the highest percentage.
scorpion_runner wrote:
You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
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No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
What a foolish inaccurate statement--obviously somebody completely missed Ayana's Rio run.
dumppost wrote:
scorpion_runner wrote:You need to finish with speed, so getting out fast is good if you can close. But not good, because you will come back to the kickers in the end.
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No runner can run world record pace without tiring and either coming back to the field, or someone running with her and out kicking her in the end
What a foolish inaccurate statement--obviously somebody completely missed Ayana's Rio run.
One- she tired during that run, because she could have run faster. And she tired during the 5000m run as well.
Now, my point is, by her tiring at some point during her run, is where she could have been caught. Vivian stated after the end of her 5000m victory against Ayana, she was going to use that same plan in the 10000m race, but her teammate screwed up the tactic, and went out with Ayana. So Viv had to run by herself, in which she also ran under 30mins, and set a PR. Ayana still blew everyone away, but Viv did gain some seconds of the original lead. Ayana got tired. Had Viv's teammate stuck to the plan, they would have been able to work together, and they would have closed the gap.