Can anybody who watched the race claim with a straight face that Quigley didn't deserve to advance based on her performance?
It was a qualifier. She deserves to be in the final.
Can anybody who watched the race claim with a straight face that Quigley didn't deserve to advance based on her performance?
It was a qualifier. She deserves to be in the final.
been around ya' know wrote:
Can anybody who watched the race claim with a straight face that Quigley didn't deserve to advance based on her performance?
It was a qualifier. She deserves to be in the final.
She broke the rules. What part of that are you not understanding?
Clearly they could choose to install a curb. Why do they not? There must be a logical reason. I know in the United States, curbs are not installed on many tracks so that the soccer and football players don't trip. Seems to me that there have been some lawsuits. But this is the WCs...?
It was a clear infraction. What did you want them to appeal? she broke the rule but you can't DQ her?
FormerTree wrote:
Also... USATF not filing an appeal? WTF? Did Salazar give them the dirty look?
Are you arguing that Quigley was forced out? Are you arguing that this was on a straight?If you run on the line on the curve and you were not forced out, then the advantage language does not come into play.The rule is clear.
rojo wrote:
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/895363994701246464
Mr. Obvious wrote:
It was a clear infraction. What did you want them to appeal? she broke the rule but you can't DQ her?
FormerTree wrote:Also... USATF not filing an appeal? WTF? Did Salazar give them the dirty look?
That she gained an advantage, which is necessary for a disqualification for stepping on the line on a straight. I don't think it's that "clear," as this is a pretty subjective part of the rule.
No advantage gained but the rule is the rule. They should have had a rail and this is a non-issue. But after they DQ'd Kemboi bumping him from the Bronze in Rio that set the precedent and Quigley had no chance.
Hotness personified wrote:
Ratings for the women's steeple just took a hit in the key demographic of men aged 12-100.
Hilarious & true.
advantage wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:It was a clear infraction. What did you want them to appeal? she broke the rule but you can't DQ her?
That she gained an advantage, which is necessary for a disqualification for stepping on the line on a straight. I don't think it's that "clear," as this is a pretty subjective part of the rule.
It wasn't on a straight.
Rojo, you quoted the rule on another thread. She stepped on the line on a curve. No advantage is necessary. What part of this do you fail to understand?IAAF wrote:Lane Infringement3. (a) in all races run in lanes, each athlete shall keep within hisallocated lane from start to finish. this shall also apply to anyportion of a race run in lanes.(b) in all races (or any part of races) not run in lanes, an athleterunning on a bend, on the outer half of the track as per Rule162.10, or on any curved part of the diversion from the trackfor the steeplechase water jump, shall not step or run on orinside the kerb or line marking the applicable border (theinside of the track, the outer half of the track, or any curvedpart of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase waterjump).except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on thereport of a Judge or umpire or otherwise, that an athlete hasinfringed this Rule, he shall be disqualified.4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he(a) is pushed or forced by another person to step or run outsidehis lane or on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicableborder, or(b) steps or runs outside his lane in the straight, any straight part ofthe diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump oroutside the outer line of his lane on the bend,with no material advantage thereby being gained and no otherathlete being jostled or obstructed so as to impede his progress.
rojo wrote:
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/895363994701246464
FloTrack's twitter has side-by-side pictures showing Quigley stepping on the line twice after the same jump. Once on the straight a couple of meters past the water (shown in LR GIF) and then again on the curve just before getting back on the track.
It can't be argued that she didn't step on the line. They could and should try to argue that she was forced onto the line and/or that there was no advantage gained.
She was not forced to step on the line.
yjhkjhb wrote:
FloTrack's twitter has side-by-side pictures showing Quigley stepping on the line twice after the same jump. Once on the straight a couple of meters past the water (shown in LR GIF) and then again on the curve just before getting back on the track.
It can't be argued that she didn't step on the line. They could and should try to argue that she was forced onto the line and/or that there was no advantage gained.
Everyone keeps talking about multiple steps on the line and it being on the curve... I see one step on the line (possibly partially over) and it's on the straight line after the water jump. Is that the part we're talking about or am I literally not seeing the infraction?
Benefiting the most from the DQ is Kirui, who was the runner, I believe, Quigley elbowed pretty hard on the last lap. But for the DQ, the Kenyan would have been 4th and out of the final, having run too slowly to qualify on time. All four Kenyans now through.
Mr. Obvious wrote:It was a clear infraction. What did you want them to appeal? she broke the rule but you can't DQ her?
[quote]FormerTree wrote:
Also... USATF not filing an appeal? WTF? Did Salazar give them the dirty look?
USATF should be defending their own athletes. We all agree she grazed the line. However it is highly questionable whether she gained any advantage. Why wouldn't USATF at least try to get their athlete into the final? If these were the USA championships, the athlete's representatives would file a protest for the judges to evaluation. I would argue that is how USATF should be representing their athletes here.
stopwining wrote:
been around ya' know wrote:Can anybody who watched the race claim with a straight face that Quigley didn't deserve to advance based on her performance?
It was a qualifier. She deserves to be in the final.
She broke the rules. What part of that are you not understanding?
In Rio, an Ethiopian female false started the steeplechase final and was not dqd. She blatantly stepped over the line and they had to restart the race.
This is like golf where Lexi Thompson got a 4 stroke penalty for remarking her ball a 1/2 an inch away from her original mark. Let's start dq'ing everyone!
First Makwala, now this, T&F is becoming a total joke.
Agree. Coming out of the water pit there was some jostling and could be debated whether she was forced onto the line (probably not but could be argued)...when she returns to the line on the curve, no way she was forced.
Tough break but need to stay off the line.
yjhkjhb wrote:
FloTrack's twitter has side-by-side pictures showing Quigley stepping on the line twice after the same jump. Once on the straight a couple of meters past the water (shown in LR GIF) and then again on the curve just before getting back on the track.
It can't be argued that she didn't step on the line. They could and should try to argue that she was forced onto the line and/or that there was no advantage gained.
Ok, so the clip that the Frojos keep posting actually does not even show the step/infraction in question (on the curve before getting back on the track). Thank you.