Sub 9:15 3200 get full ride to Big 10 school?

Yeah, the ROI part of athletic scholarships makes total sense. What I don't get is when people talk about programs using academic or merit money to supplement the 12 athletic scholarships. I believe at most state schools, academic scholarships are competitive and are decided later than the fall. So how does a strong runner who is also a strong student take advantage of the strong student part? Just ignore the athletic offers, and apply to a bunch of schools like a non-athlete would? Or are the coaches able to get an early decision from admissions on some of those merit dollars, and make a combined athletic/academic scholarship offer in fall of the senior year?

A lot of merit based scholarships are automatic at state schools.

EX.http://undergrad.osu.edu/cost-and-aid/merit-based-scholarships

Scroll down to maximus (5k/year), provost (2500/year) and trustees scholarship (1500/year.) You need a 32, 30 or 29 on the ACT respectively. This helps the school attract good candidates to pull their average scores up and look good. If you apply, you're automatically considered. You have to maintain a 3.5 or something like that while you're enrolled too.

Then there's hundreds of other scholarships through the school and organizations that are "competitive." This is in the sense that there's only on or 2 or 5 or whatever number of scholarships. You'll have to write an essay and do volunteer work and come up with a plan to stop global warming or be a woman in science or whatever and you can possible win one of these scholarships too. Most likely you'll just get the automatic for ACT scores (if you have them) since a lot of the essay based ones require substantial extracurricular commitments and you're already running so much.That's not to say don't try it though. Finally, you could always do ROTC. It would be very difficult with sports. But the federal government already provides 100% college tuition, a monthly stipend and single payer healthcare to any interested young person. It's called the military.

I know a guy with a 9:17 3200....was a walk`on at a B1G school

running4dahigh wrote:

I know a guy with a 9:17 3200....was a walk`on at a B1G school

Junior or senior year? Not that he would have gotten a scholarship anyway, but the times he ran junior year are more important

Coaches, sprinters and jumpers can score more points than distance runners in outdoor track, no argument, because it is less taxing to do multiple events and there are two relays for sprinters, none for distance runners (except some 800m runners who could get on 4x400m teams). Indoors, the distance runners can contribute to more points, which is why distance-oriented teams have a better shot at indoor nationals victories. In xc, sprinters and jumpers cannot contribute to victories and placings, whereas distance runners can. So, distance runners, if they are good, are probably worth as much as sprinters, if you count xc--which I'm betting a lot of track coaches don't think about, and you can get some excellent points from football players in track without costing the team any scholarships. If the program can't develop distance runners, but can develop sprinters, jumpers, and throwers, I understand why they'd go to the latter groups.

Looking for answers wrote:

I find it hard to believe that guys under 9:00 didn't get a full ride. I'm sure they could have somewhere.

Answer Here wrote:

Good luck getting a full-ride anywhere. I've coached 3 boys who've been under 9:15, 2 of whom were under 9:00 and none of them got a full ride, nor should they have expected to. There are only 12.5 scholarships to share among the entire XC and T&F team, which is in the neighborhood of 50 student-athletes. If one person gets a full ride that means there are 11.5 scholarships left for the other 49 guys. If you get 1/4 scholarship you're doing good.

Not At a legit big conference school, but yes a sub 9 guy can get a full ride "somewhere". Thank title 9. A well meaning rule that has crippled many male sports. Enjoy being one of the many male division 1 athletes watching many of your female peers who are nowhere near as good as you get twice the money.

I don't believe most of what I read in this thread. I know two runners who were not below 9:00 as juniors who got full rides offered to Big Ten schools. One took it. The other went to another conference,

Why should a uni pay for a "full ride" to a runner?

This is a Troll. If he isn't than I feel a bit sorry that he has mislead himself to believe his times are worthy of a full ride at a Big Ten program.

Coaches loathe giving full rides. Too many eggs in one basket. If you get injured... the team is SOL for those points. At most places, you will get books or small money. At the good Big Ten schools they will let you walk on and tell you that once you score at Conference/make a National meet, the money will come your way.

Also, don't bring any of this attitude with you on your recruiting trips. The guys on the team will see it and it will make the process that much harder.

This guy speaks the truth. I have coached since 1975 and know the game. A 9:15 will not get you a full ride and most likely will not get you anything at a Big Ten school. That is, unless you can also run a sub 4:10 mile and/or place top 10 at Foot Locker finals. Ditto for the other major conferences. Especially distance heavy conferences like the PAC 12. Of course you'll here otherwise occasionally. But these are outliers. Exceptions to the rule. And for every rule, you'll get exceptions. But 9 times or more out of 10, as good as 9:15 is, no money at a Big Ten school. Never a full ride.

Looking for answers wrote:

That then brings me back to the original question. Can a sub 9:15 3200 get a full ride to a Big 10 school? Not all of those schools are competitive.

I don't think 9:14 will get you a full ride, but I think 8:59 probably would.

I knew a guy who ran 9:16 in high school, and it took him three years to earn All- Conference honors in NCAA DIII. He eventually was a stud, but it took a while.

Could you get a full ride to a lower-tier DI program with a 9:15? Probably. But a team that's looking to qualify for NCAAs won't give you a free ride unless they ONLY give scholarships to distance runners. Some programs don't want to buy equipment or pay coaches for the sprints/hurdles/field events, so they mainly just stick to distance.

Michigan lists their standards. 8:50 for a full scholarship, 9:15 is the starting point for a partial, 9:30 to walk on.

Michigan is one of the better track programs in the Big 10, but still, I doubt you'd get a full on 9:15 in this conference. I think a 25%+ scholarship at a sub-P5 conference could be had, assuming that you're a good prospect in other ways (e.g., academic fit, corresponding 1600m time, etc.)

http://mgoblue.com/sports/2017/6/16/sports-m-track-recruits.aspx

If a coach wants you bad enough, whether that's in the big 10 or somewhere else, they will make it happen

Decide where you want to go as if there were no running scholarship at all. Make a priority list and see what kind of scholarship you can get from each top school on your list. Eventually you'll know if and how you fit in to those programs.

My experience was complete disappointment with the top school on the list - both the coach and the campus. One of the bottom schools was much nicer than expected, had a great coach, and offered a far better deal. The choice became absolutely obvious.

randomcoach wrote:

Looking for answers wrote:

That then brings me back to the original question. Can a sub 9:15 3200 get a full ride to a Big 10 school? Not all of those schools are competitive.

I don't think 9:14 will get you a full ride, but I think 8:59 probably would.

Where does 8:59 get you a full ride and have a team that makes sense for an 8:59 guy to go to?

Yep, the welcome to the team remark is pretty close. he state champ from Fenton Michigan last year in the 3200 (9:07+), Jacob Lee, just finished his freshman year at U of M. Unless my sources lied to me, he received $2000 and that's all. If that information is false, someone can correct it, but that's what I was told.

Gernandam wrote:

Pretty sure 9:15 at a school like Wisco/Michigan would get you a "welcome to the team" and that's it.

Answers Here wrote:

randomcoach wrote:

I don't think 9:14 will get you a full ride, but I think 8:59 probably would.

Where does 8:59 get you a full ride and have a team that makes sense for an 8:59 guy to go to?

I think you've identified the key issue here - I don't think such a place exists!