luv2run wrote:
I have it on pretty good authority that the machine Matt was tested on was never accurate. In fact it was mothballed.
Yeah right. And I heard on pretty good authority that when he set the Pike's Peak marathon record he was using rocket-propelled shoes. Post your source or your "pretty good authority" could be giving you the business...no surprises there with some "authorities" these days.
OP, it's possible, but not probably, you have a true VO2max of 91.0
Having been a professional cyclist in the past, but not that great of a runner by letsrun standards, I would encourage to at least consider giving cycling a shot when you're done with your collegiate running career.
What are you other PRs? Even if you haven't run the 400 or 800 in a while, what do you suppose you can run them in?
VO2 Max GOAT wrote:
As a preface, I just finished my sophomore year running XC and Track and finished the season with a 5k PR of 14:23 and ran that twice. I had some solid workouts and whatnot but I am by no means the best runner on my team in any event. I just went to a highly reputable sports testing facility and had my VO2 max tested at 91.0. The girl who did the test was shitting her pants when she saw the results and after some research it looks like that result would land me in the top 15 or so of all time recorded VO2 max tests, higher than some of the fastest runners ever. It also said that I burned 3067 calories/day at rest if that is at all relevant. I am extremely skeptical about this result but how far off could it be? Even if it were 10% off I'd still have a higher VO2 max than Steve Scott and Jim Ryun.
The denominator in Vo2Max is weight. I.e. the best way to improve V02Max is to lose weight. I'm guessing you are really really really skinny.
You're a sophomore. You have 2 more years of college training to continue to improve. If you don't end up being as good a runner as you think 91 VO2 suggested, then you really should look into cycling or XC skiing.
observer_of_things wrote:
The denominator in Vo2Max is weight. I.e. the best way to improve V02Max is to lose weight. I'm guessing you are really really really skinny.
Except if you're Lance Armstrong. 😉
14:23 as a sophomore, you are good. Get busy.
VO2 Max GOAT wrote:
As a preface, I just finished my sophomore year running XC and Track and finished the season with a 5k PR of 14:23 and ran that twice. I had some solid workouts and whatnot but I am by no means the best runner on my team in any event. I just went to a highly reputable sports testing facility and had my VO2 max tested at 91.0. The girl who did the test was shitting her pants when she saw the results and after some research it looks like that result would land me in the top 15 or so of all time recorded VO2 max tests, higher than some of the fastest runners ever. It also said that I burned 3067 calories/day at rest if that is at all relevant. I am extremely skeptical about this result but how far off could it be? Even if it were 10% off I'd still have a higher VO2 max than Steve Scott and Jim Ryun.
Very simple explanation. The test was flawed. Bad test.
Best use of VO2max test is being periodically re-tested as this helps determine if the test equipment was properly calibrated and if your max is changing over time. I have seen VO2 max on the same runner vary from 76 to 86 in a matter of 1 week (because tests were in 2 different labs). Also each person has a VO2max that applies to each different sport in which tested. Just saying a high run max test says to take up cycling means nothing. I saw a canoe paddler test at 64 for a max, using only his arms in the test, which sure doesn't say he could run pretty well (should he take up swimming?)
The truth is that many of these very good kenyans seldom have extrem high VO2max. They use to build up to a maximum individual VO2max and then they have about the same VO2 max the entire career....but...what they instead are increasing is their threshold ability. And there is another difference in their biomechanics with lighter longstretch calves muscles...
COACH J.S
You've got to lay off thee old epo.
Seen a lot of questions so I'll try to answer most of them. I'm 6'0" and 140 pounds. I run about 65-70 miles a week and a normal week of training looks like this:
Monday: easy run, 7-8 miles usually around 6:30 pace or so with strides
Tuesday: Workout day, usually 4 mile or so tempo on the track @5:00ish pace on the track with a few longer intervals after (800s/ks), ~10 miles total
Wednesday: Medium length long run, usually 12 miles at a little faster than monday pace (6:20?)
Thursday: just like monday pretty much
Friday: Workout day, usually just long intervals or shorter stuff, non-tempo day, ~10 miles total
Saturday: Easy jog 5 miles or so
Sunday: Long run, usually pretty hilly 13 miles at a little faster than wednesday (6:10ish?)
Other PRs are 24:11 8k XC, 8:09 3k indoors, haven't run an 800 in a long time but could probably do like 1:56 and maybe 53-54 for 400
max heart rate was 197 and aerobic threshold pace was ~5:40
An anaerobic threshold pace of 5:40 sounds pretty slow for a runner with your 5k PR. If we can believe the results, I'd say target threshold work in your training.
3hr-marathoner wrote:
An anaerobic threshold pace of 5:40 sounds pretty slow for a runner with your 5k PR. If we can believe the results, I'd say target threshold work in your training.
He said he does a tempo at 5:00/mile, must be some weird definition or a typo.
adsfsdafasd wrote:
3hr-marathoner wrote:An anaerobic threshold pace of 5:40 sounds pretty slow for a runner with your 5k PR. If we can believe the results, I'd say target threshold work in your training.
He said he does a tempo at 5:00/mile, must be some weird definition or a typo.
Or the test results are all gobblygook.
91 not bad, but ... values have been measured in some other animal species: thoroughbred horses have a VO2 max of around 180 mL/(kg·min). Siberian dogs running in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race have VO2 max values as high as 240 mL/(kg·min).
AT pace might be a bit off because I did this test a couple days after coming off my two week break
VO2 Max GOAT wrote:
max heart rate was 197 and aerobic threshold pace was ~5:40
Damn...a MHR of 197 & a VO2max of 91! MHR is determined by genetics and that's a one big engine you got there. Your 91 VO2max shows some serious horsepower. I would think you would be running some 13:00s with that setup. You got some good genetics there young man...time to make good use of it.
Calling Alberto Salazar?
J.S wrote:
The truth is that many of these very good kenyans seldom have extrem high VO2max. They use to build up to a maximum individual VO2max and then they have about the same VO2 max the entire career....but...what they instead are increasing is their threshold ability. And there is another difference in their biomechanics with lighter longstretch calves muscles...
COACH J.S
I'm aware of their biomechanics...nothing new there. But did you see them at the Bowerman mile? There's some serious horsepower there my friend. And VO2max is the most important physiological variable determining performances in races of 1500 to 5000 meters. Serious horsepower & great biomechanics seems to be their winning combo...who would have imagined?
My program for you had been looking like this:
Monday: 7-8 miles around 6:20 pace , no strides
Tuesday: intervals 15-20 x 400m at 68 sec rec= wait easy walking until 120 bpm.
wednesday: 6-8 miles 6:20 pace
thursday: 12-13 miles 6:20 pace
friday: 6-8 miles 6:20 pace
saturday: threshold interval,15-20 x 800m or 10-12 x 1200m or 6-8 x 1600m or 5-7 x 2000m or 3-5 x 3000m at 3.05 min/km (74 sec/lap) rec= 120 bpm
sunday: RESTDAY
When its close to a race over 1500m/mile you just do 7-8 x 400m at 1500m/mile -pace instead of the threshold interval and recovery= wait easy walking until 100 bpm.
Test it and you will soon see and feel the difference .....
COACH J.S
oh.could you explain the diff and why they arent related? wouldnt poor form be less efficient (economical?)