When was the handbook given to the coaches?
When was the handbook given to the coaches?
I'm not sure on that. But if you look at the documents that were attached to the report on him, he signed the volunteer release form on 7/29/16. The release form is in the coaches handbook so it was given to him at some point.
Where did Avery meet these athletes then? Was it at a school event? Did he meet each and everyone of them prior to his relationship with the school (which spans longer than Brodey was on the team)? Did he go to a high school track meet and just pick the best finishers? Wait it can't be that because all of his "athletes" are from one school.
The answer is he went to a school, an affluent one at that, volunteered there, and then charged people on the backend. His volunteering at the school led him to meet these students. Volunteering at a public school, funded by state funds, and accepting and even potentially pressuring people into paying you for private lessons is insane. When I was in high school, teachers couldn't charge their own students for tutoring. Heck, in my school district (which had 3 high schools in it) you couldn't accept payment for tutoring any child in the district. You would have to go outside the district to do that and disclose to your district, who you were tutoring and how you were connected to alleviate any potential conflict of interest like this one. Heck, at my job, I have to notify them if I have any other work and show there is no conflict of interest.
Avery obviously has a conflict of interest here, it should have been shut down much sooner, but because the runners were good, people turned a blind eye.
He has been a private coach for many many years. He had and has athletes from many schools not just Brentwood.
Your post is inaccurate
He was given a paper to sign. Not the full handbook. So your assumptions are incorrect
He signed things that proved this to be a conflict of interest. He should be sued by the school district for breech of contract and pay damages.
Don't leave the Kindersports squad out of this conversation!!!
And you can prove this how...?
What about the kid that got left at home one year from one of the big meets, great American I think. Didn't pay for coaching so got left behind at home from an I'm season meet. Is that a true story.
Integrity wrote:
He has been a private coach for many many years. He had and has athletes from many schools not just Brentwood.
Your post is inaccurate
If he met a single athlete at Brentwood High School in the course of his volunteer work with the team and told them about his private coaching (which is the definition of soliciting someone) he obviously acted unethically and with a conflict of interest). I bet several situations went down like this: "Hey student/parent, you/your child show great promise. I offer additional coaching on the side for a fee." By him soliciting one athlete it is an obvious conflict of interest. I'm not gonna argue with who actually made varsity and got to go to meets aligned with whom he coached privately (even though there are reports that they do correlate). Signing one athlete, the he met at Brentwood HS in his duty of a volunteer coach, is a conflict of interest, regardless if its a 4 minute miler or a 5:30 miler. And if a student approached him about it in his capacity as a volunteer coach, his response should be I cannot charge you for additional coach, but could point you in the direction of other private coaches if that is something you truly think will benefit you. Or I can write you additional workouts gratis. Teacher's cannot privately tutor their students for a fee. They usually offer extra-help or additional homework or have to refer them to an outside source. That is what a volunteer coach should be doing for kids in his school, not taking their money.
ok it is listed under the heading of Fundraisers/FeesBefore I read your post of where to look, I read through the document 3 times trying to find where it says anything about a coaching fees. I skipped over the Fundraising/Fees thinking that section was only about FUNDRAISING and the /fee had something to do with fundraising and perhaps booster club fees.Now if I missed and didn't find it until you pointed out, I would easily believe that others missed it too.
Not a member of the cult wrote:
https://www.wcs.edu/wp-content/pdf/School/CoachHandbook.pdfNice try! Take a look at page 25, #10 of the WCS schools coaches handbook. It doesn't matter if they were his athletes prior to becoming a volunteer coach.
You are making incorrect assumptions and speculating.
The signed document doesn't have the rules on it in regards to accepting private coaching fees outside of the school practice hours. This is a school rule, not a TSSAA Rule.That school rule, is listed in the Coaching Handbook, under the heading of Fundraising? I'd like to know when the document was made. When and if the Handbook was given out to all coaches. This could have been added in later during the investigation, I don't put it past someone to have doctored up the documents. I would ask the AD if he handed out the Coaching Handbook. And to prove that he did. The onus is on the school on this. You can not make the assumption that a private coach would know that if they haven't ever worked within the school system.
SignedContract wrote:
He signed things that proved this to be a conflict of interest. He should be sued by the school district for breech of contract and pay damages.
Cults are bad wrote:
What about the kid that got left at home one year from one of the big meets, great American I think. Didn't pay for coaching so got left behind at home from an I'm season meet. Is that a true story.
Never heard of that. GA is also around SAT time. Maybe that is why the athlete you are referring to didn't go. People make up stories all the time though.
Conflict of Interest wrote:
Integrity wrote:He has been a private coach for many many years. He had and has athletes from many schools not just Brentwood.
Your post is inaccurate
If he met a single athlete at Brentwood High School in the course of his volunteer work with the team and told them about his private coaching (which is the definition of soliciting someone) he obviously acted unethically and with a conflict of interest). I bet several situations went down like this: "Hey student/parent, you/your child show great promise. I offer additional coaching on the side for a fee." By him soliciting one athlete it is an obvious conflict of interest. I'm not gonna argue with who actually made varsity and got to go to meets aligned with whom he coached privately (even though there are reports that they do correlate). Signing one athlete, the he met at Brentwood HS in his duty of a volunteer coach, is a conflict of interest, regardless if its a 4 minute miler or a 5:30 miler. And if a student approached him about it in his capacity as a volunteer coach, his response should be I cannot charge you for additional coach, but could point you in the direction of other private coaches if that is something you truly think will benefit you. Or I can write you additional workouts gratis. Teacher's cannot privately tutor their students for a fee. They usually offer extra-help or additional homework or have to refer them to an outside source. That is what a volunteer coach should be doing for kids in his school, not taking their money.
Sounds like more assumptions, speculation and passing judgement 20/20 hindsight. Truly though, the AD and Head coach, which are the same person ought to take the blame on all this. He did not know the school policy himself. He brought this coach on, knowing full well he was a private coach and did not go over the policies/rules of the school. And it wasn't just with Guy Avery. KinderSports as well.
The school officials ought to be fired.
Not a member of the cult wrote:
Sorry, page 15 - #10
PAGE 15!!!! Rule 10!!!
Under the title of Fundraising/Fees???? Oh that makes a lot of sense.
WTH? Why would it be listed under that? Typical.
why would the rules be listed on the Agreement page? You are "agreeing" to the rules that were supposed to be read in the handbook. If the agreement gets signed, that means that you agree to the rules, pretty simple stuff. Also, the heading was Fundraising and FEES. Everyone always wants to blame someone else. I didn't know - he didn't tell me - it's not my fault.
Not a member of the cult wrote:
why would the rules be listed on the Agreement page? You are "agreeing" to the rules that were supposed to be read in the handbook. If the agreement gets signed, that means that you agree to the rules, pretty simple stuff. Also, the heading was Fundraising and FEES. Everyone always wants to blame someone else. I didn't know - he didn't tell me - it's not my fault.
If you are just given the Volunteer agreement page and not the handbook.... that is why. Ask the AD. Even so, it is not clear. Poorly written. Just like the investigation. Shoddy work.
When I see "Fundraising and/or Fees" it seems that it is in regard to fundraising. It is not clear. Ought to be clear and not listed as #10
Blame... it's the American way!
We can go back and forth on this forever.
Let's talk about the parent that complained. He/she wanted pay to play. Then was all angry and vindictive when he/she didn't get his way. Typical Brentwood elitist ,thinks they are entitled, parent.
Those Brentwood elitists have been paying the coach for awhile now. So this accusation against the parents that wanted pay to play, was the race a school race or a club team race? That makes a difference in my opinion.