Elijah Manangoi's coach says the 1500 WR may soon be theirs!! "He is in great shape and ready to bring down the WR"

Just to point out the obvious. wrote:

PrZ wrote:

I'd say that if any Kenyan besides Kiprop could come close to the WR it'd be Ronald Kwemoi. Talk about finishing fast too, he absolutely destroyed everyone (including Manangoi) in Monaco last year by over a second in the last 100m and ran 3:28 3 years ago. He's still 21 too. He also has really good range given his 27:33 10k a few months ago (and 13:16 5k PR).

Neither Manangoi or Kwemoi are remotely good enough to break a world record. Asbel has come reasonably close but I've got a feeling he won't come that close again. Rudisha breaks the 800 record and it's easy for people to think others (Cheruiyot, Kipketer etc) might be able to also. But in the same way that kicking through for a strong win in 1:43 and even 1:42 (notice not many of them and not often have WON races in 1:42.5 is not remotely close to breaking 1:41) same too running 3:29 or possibly 3:28 (even in Monaco!) is not remotely close to breaking 3:26.00. Just the way it is; they're good runners but certainly not all-time great runners.

Just to point out the obvious. wrote:

PrZ wrote:

I'd say that if any Kenyan besides Kiprop could come close to the WR it'd be Ronald Kwemoi. Talk about finishing fast too, he absolutely destroyed everyone (including Manangoi) in Monaco last year by over a second in the last 100m and ran 3:28 3 years ago. He's still 21 too. He also has really good range given his 27:33 10k a few months ago (and 13:16 5k PR).

Neither Manangoi or Kwemoi are remotely good enough to break a world record. Asbel has come reasonably close but I've got a feeling he won't come that close again. Rudisha breaks the 800 record and it's easy for people to think others (Cheruiyot, Kipketer etc) might be able to also. But in the same way that kicking through for a strong win in 1:43 and even 1:42 (notice not many of them and not often have WON races in 1:42.5 is not remotely close to breaking 1:41) same too running 3:29 or possibly 3:28 (even in Monaco!) is not remotely close to breaking 3:26.00. Just the way it is; they're good runners but certainly not all-time great runners.

Coevett wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

You are pretty obsessed. Manangoi is likely 32 based on an article published here from a Letsrun correspondent in Kenya. Maybe not so shocking he is not in his prime. In 2017 when the article was written he ran 3:28.8 in old spikes with a sub-54 first and last lap (middle laps 57 pace). Poorly paced and likely in 3:27 type shape. He won Worlds so the season was a success. Also not on Fancy Bears was he unlike a certain brother of a famous runner.

Why is the question as to whether a former World Champion suspended for an anti-doping offense, was actually doping in his career, and making the occasional reference to it, an 'obsession'. Why are you using the type of language and shaming tactics the Jama Aden shills use here against anti-dopers like myself? You appear to be turning into Rekrunner. Is this 'obsession' the same type as your 'obsession' for who the 7th best 5000m runner in Ethiopia is?

So you think running 3:28.8 in old spikes, and not being able to break 3:36 in new spikes is evidence that he was not doping, despite being convicted of an anti-doping offence, and an obsession on my part?

Weird.

And Kenyans are older than their stated ages and everybody knows that when it comes to presenting a case to explain their remarkable decline not based on coming off the juice, but it's racist to accuse junior Kenyan athletes of being age cheats?

And being the brother of a white runner, and appearing on a dubious Russian hack likely authorized by Putin, is more evidence of doping than a Kenyan convicted of an anti-doping offence who runs 8 seconds slower in his comeback, despite posting on Social Media frequently of himself training his butt off and motivated to 'prove everybody wrong'?

So strange.

If nothing else, Manangoi's case is highly relevant to the general question as to whether we should ascribe guilt to athletes suspended for wheareabouts failures. You obviously fall in the Rekrunner/Jama Aden shill camp. Unless you just have a peculiar obsession for Elijah.

Coevett wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

You are pretty obsessed. Manangoi is likely 32 based on an article published here from a Letsrun correspondent in Kenya. Maybe not so shocking he is not in his prime. In 2017 when the article was written he ran 3:28.8 in old spikes with a sub-54 first and last lap (middle laps 57 pace). Poorly paced and likely in 3:27 type shape. He won Worlds so the season was a success. Also not on Fancy Bears was he unlike a certain brother of a famous runner.

Why is the question as to whether a former World Champion suspended for an anti-doping offense, was actually doping in his career, and making the occasional reference to it, an 'obsession'. Why are you using the type of language and shaming tactics the Jama Aden shills use here against anti-dopers like myself? You appear to be turning into Rekrunner. Is this 'obsession' the same type as your 'obsession' for who the 7th best 5000m runner in Ethiopia is?

So you think running 3:28.8 in old spikes, and not being able to break 3:36 in new spikes is evidence that he was not doping, despite being convicted of an anti-doping offence, and an obsession on my part?

Weird.

And Kenyans are older than their stated ages and everybody knows that when it comes to presenting a case to explain their remarkable decline not based on coming off the juice, but it's racist to accuse junior Kenyan athletes of being age cheats?

And being the brother of a white runner, and appearing on a dubious Russian hack likely authorized by Putin, is more evidence of doping than a Kenyan convicted of an anti-doping offence who runs 8 seconds slower in his comeback, despite posting on Social Media frequently of himself training his butt off and motivated to 'prove everybody wrong'?

So strange.

If nothing else, Manangoi's case is highly relevant to the general question as to whether we should ascribe guilt to athletes suspended for wheareabouts failures. You obviously fall in the Rekrunner/Jama Aden shill camp. Unless you just have a peculiar obsession for Elijah.