The Dibaba FREAK SHOW Continues... New W.R. 2000m - 5:23.75

Jama Aden was busted in June 2016. Has he been found guilty/not guilty?

It's not funny anymore wrote:

what a joke wrote:

When will this fraud come to an end?

How many needles does her coach need to be caught with until these guys get busted? Is this case even ongoing or are we supposed to just forget about it??

Couldn't agree more, this continues to be the ultimate slap in the face to clean athletes everywhere and certainly makes the testing system appear to be absolutely useless. I mean some one was using those syringes....

Let me play devil's advocate. They raided their hotel rooms. They had police following the coach on walks. What more could they possibly do?

To me, we're getting into the absurd category in waiting that they haven't been charged with anything if there was something to charge them with.

Now investigations can take a long time particulalry if you are trying to get people to flip but at somepoint you have to do one of the following.

a) assume they were clean (if i'm their PR spokesperson, I'm like "Look they raided the hotel and found nothing.").

b) assume the investigators are totally inept

c) assume that there is an amazing code of omerta/fear of possiby death that no one flipped (it would be smart to keep everything in the room of a lower level runner and then let them know they should fear for their life and/or financial secruity if they flip)

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Give me the list of legit WR's faster indoors than out compared to the other way around.

Irrelevant. How many times do I have to point out indoors is the offseason?

"Oh, no, NOP says they peak twice" they say. Bullshit, everyone does that, outdoors is still where the big races are.

There are 1/10 the # of competitors, 1/10 the # of fans, and 1/10 the # of races, and 0 of them are serious competitions, yet still the performances are just about as fast.

Rupp is faster indoors than out. So is Choge. Dibaba's solo 3:55 jog was her SB for 2014. She has ran sub 8:26 three times indoors, never outdoors.

Despite its relative popularity indoors, 3000m is still contested far more regularly outdoors and should be faster there. It is time for people to realize banked indoor tracks provide a mechanical enhancement that delegitimizes performances.

I've probably followed the supposed bust as much as most of the people on the thread and I don't think there's anything. If there's real evidence, he would have been charged. They tried their best and didn't catch him with anything when they thought they did. It sucks that there's no much shade cast without any evidence.

As for GD, she's as clean as any other elite athlete. She at least has the genes... so I'd be less suspicious of her then Muir-who I believe is clean! Anyway, I'd give these two the benefit of the doubt... Paula on the other hand, I don't believe.

Haven't read any articles on this yet, but this doesn't seem like such an amazing time. 5:24 + 50% is 8:06, which is the 3000 meter outdoor record, so this is even pacing for the 3000 record. I know the 3000 meter record is considered doped, but it's 50% further, and Dibaba is suspected to be doped too. There must have been a 2000 meter portion of that 3000 record that was faster than 5:23.75.

Bad Wigins wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

1) that's a 3:50.92

2) the record were not solo, he had pacers and in the 13:01 Chelenga was breathing down his neck til the last 400m

3) the indoor season is not an off season, it's the indoor season

1) and it's his PB, isn't it?

2) It was indoors in a race nobody cared about and he was competing against one guy, then he goes out to Historic Hayweird Field and his adoring fans and can only do 13:14

3) it is the off season

There is something to this, I live by the sea and it is always windy. A good indoor track would nullify this.

I always wondered way some could run so fast out of season indoors and not achieve the same time outdoors e.g. Geb and Bekele over 2,000m indoors.

Zero - that is ZERO testing done in Ethiopia. Think about it.

Alan Webb's Triceps wrote:

Jama Aden was busted in June 2016. Has he been found guilty/not guilty?

He may be using what he knows about Mo Farah as a bargaining tool.The British are in control of antidoping now.

It wouldn't surprise me

Doping apologists out ................................

Paula out , seb out and especially Canova out ..................

if you are anyway in the anglo-american sphere then lets look the other way if can ...

seb coe , iaaf , wada are but gatekeepers .

dibaba still doping like was from the start .

nothing changed with all ifs and buts , same old in ethiopia

like the few scottish are doing also the now........

that wonder peptide , igf-1 lr3

doing wonders for english athletics

and alittle something for the endurance

hey no need to stop with age with this peptide

old man collins still sprinting same times

a joke ........................................................

dibaba still doping like was from the start .

nothing changed with all ifs and buts , same old in ethiopia

like the few scottish are doing also the now........

that wonder peptide , igf-1 lr3

doing wonders for english athletics

and alittle something for the endurance

hey no need to stop with age with this peptide

old man collins still sprinting same times

a joke ........................................................

Thanks for putting this up...great video quality. I notice that GB and Laura Muir both have forefront foot strikes, when I have studied it most of the other Mid D women strike at the mid to back of the foot.

mypredictor wrote:

There's something kind of creepy watching that race video. All by herself doing lap after lap for a crowd to marvel at, the clapping each homestretch. It's less a race than an exhibition. A specimen trotted out for our amusement.

I guess, in some sense, a very fast athlete doing a time trial is very much that. I imagine fans of other sports watching a single person half a lap ahead of others would think it's a very weird sport.

I couldnt care less.

Sexyyyy

I hope she is around for years

Biomechanically, GD is almost perfect, perhaps perfect an 800/1500 type, but she is an accomplished long distance runner as well. She has almost no rotation in her hips, very little in the torso and her knees don't turn inwards when her feet strikes the ground, which is all unusual for a female runner. When she get tired, the only change is in her face, but she doesn't lose form and can close hard all alone off of a fast pace.

No T&F athlete, male or female in history has ever been the best in the world at more than 2 events over 400m at the same time. When GB is on top of her game, I don't think she can be beat in 800m to the 10K. Btw, no athlete purposely chooses an event longer than they need to run. As strange as it might sound, I believe GD has not run an 800m because they are afraid of how fast she could run. We already know she can at least run 1:57, because she has closed out a 1500 in that time. I can understand her not contesting the 800m in global competitions because the 800m rounds are brutal, but for a 1500m runner to not contest the 800m indoors, the DL circuit or even a local meet is weird and unheard of. GD could probably run 1:54 right now and 1:52 if she trained for it. I think her camp is trying to avoid the controversy of running faster 800m than the old Eastern Bloc athletes who were taking the same steroids they use to give to race horses or the women with hormone issues. To anyone who questions her speed, perhaps she's not a world class 400m sprinter, but she looks like a classic world class 800m runner when she is closing out a 1500 or 3K off of a world record pace.

With all of that said, when GD set the world record in the 1500m, the only athlete who congratulated her by choice was Channel Price, her paid pace maker. Even the other 2 Ethiopians in that race didn't congratulate her. I want to say we are witnessing the greatest female distance runner ever, which is possible, but with an almost non existence AD program in Ethiopia, it hurts her cause. I don't like to indict someone for simply running fast, perhaps GD is really-really-really good -or perhaps we are seeing what a really-really-really talented athlete is capable of when chemically enhanced.

mypredictor wrote:

There's something kind of creepy watching that race video. All by herself doing lap after lap for a crowd to marvel at, the clapping each homestretch. It's less a race than an exhibition. A specimen trotted out for our amusement.

I would say it is just weird that meet organizers and the crowd were marvelling at a runner who ran slower than probably at least 1000 other runners over the same distance. How much money were all those other faster runners paid?

Unfortunately, the police raid was too early. The EPO was in the syringes, ready for dosing. If they had waited, they probably could have caught/tested Aden's athletes with the drug in their systems. No way they could explain that away. Along with the physical evidence in the room, they all would have been suspended.