Russian allegation: British Olympic champ involved in doping coverup. Any insight on who it is?

•21 May 2013 - prednisolone (40mg oral dosage, once per day for five days)

•27 April 2014 - prednisolone (40mg oral dosage, once per day for seven days)

I agree with some of your statements, but not others.

Firstly, I don't see where it talks about the blood passport in these articles.

Secondly, the athlete does not have to be caught doping in the year they were Olympic champ, nor do they have to have been on the ABP when they won the Olympics. Athletes that were using in 2008 could easily have been picked up by 2009 testing methods if they didn't change their ways or know how to beat it yet. Ohuruogu could have tested positive two years+ after her Olympic win and it is still a scandal.

Thirdly, sprinters use EPO. Dwain Chambers tested positive for it. For all your medical knowledge surely you realise some sprinters use EPO for recovery.

However I agree that the Russians would have name dropped immediately if they had anything to say. What does this guy have to lose? He is serving a lifetime ban from the sport already.

Firstly, I don't see where it talks about the blood passport in these articles.

"Finally, during our numerous and long meetings "the IAAF Ambassadors" showed us the list of athletes with ABP violations which included not only Russian athletes. Surprisingly, we found there some prominent British athletes including Olympic champion and icon of the GB sports. "

29-Jun-2011, triamcinolone acetonide (kenalog), Intramuscular, once

26-Jun-2012, triamcinolone acetonide (triamcinolone), Intramuscular, once

22-Apr-2013, triamcinolone acetonide (triamcinolone), Intramuscular, once

If the Russians really had this, what possible motivation could they have to not state the name/s?

They desperately want to bring down Coe, IAAF, WADA,

Only reason to withhold would be to bribe?

UK TUErs wrote:

•21 May 2013 - prednisolone (40mg oral dosage, once per day for five days)

•27 April 2014 - prednisolone (40mg oral dosage, once per day for seven days)

It is better to use a decreasing dose when coming off of prednisolone (for example: 60mg, 50mg, 40mg, 30mg, 20mg, 10mg, 0mg per day over 7 days).

That also has nothing to do with the topic of British 2012 Olympic champion Mo Farah.

I was feeling down about the Russian story but these Mo Farah stories help to elevate my mood.

I feel more perky now.

The Weekend Australian:

"In the first meeting, Dr Bonar told the athlete: “Some of these treatments I use are banned on a professional circuit. So, you have to be mindful of that. Having said that — I have worked with lots of professional athletes who do use these treatments.”

He prescribed prohibited drugs to the runner and suggested his performance would improve with a course of EPO which he was happy to supply.

The doctor went on to talk about the other sportsmen he claimed he had treated in a series of meetings with undercover reporters. He said drugs were now a part of sport and claimed he had “never met a clean athlete”.

Small sample wrote:

Come on now, you're better than this. You're encouraging idle gossip and baseless speculation.

You are suggesting rojo is "better than this?" He has staked his trust fund on a niche gossip site, he most definitely is not "better than this."

Dr rjm

"It is better to use a decreasing dose when coming off of prednisolone (for example: 60mg, 50mg, 40mg, 30mg, 20mg, 10mg, 0mg per day over 7 days)."

They were getting the shot x days before the big race, for the systemic effects.

Do you think they could taper the dosages in the way you describe all the way up to the race, and it wouldn't trigger a bell in a drug test?

Nimajamin wrote:

Small sample wrote:

Come on now, you're better than this. You're encouraging idle gossip and baseless speculation.

You are suggesting rojo is "better than this?" He has staked his trust fund on a niche gossip site, he most definitely is not "better than this."

That is a fascinating observation. Your post elevated my mood.

Did you say idle gossip and baseless speculation goes on at this board?

Maybe.

Here is some more baseless speculation about the development of an ABP for endogenous anabolic androgenic steroids:

Mr. Cortico wrote:

Dr rjm

"It is better to use a decreasing dose when coming off of prednisolone (for example: 60mg, 50mg, 40mg, 30mg, 20mg, 10mg, 0mg per day over 7 days)."

They were getting the shot x days before the big race, for the systemic effects.

Do you think they could taper the dosages in the way you describe all the way up to the race, and it wouldn't trigger a bell in a drug test?

You are not paying attention. My answer was in reference to the 40mg prednisolone dosage which was oral.

You are talking about triamcinolone acetonide IM injections. They were getting TUEs for the IM injections, so it does not matter if they are detected in a drug test.

There is no bell that is triggered in the drug test.

Mo Farah's doorbell is also not triggered to ring when the doping control guys come to give Mo his doping test.

rjm33 wrote:

Nimajamin wrote:

You are suggesting rojo is "better than this?" He has staked his trust fund on a niche gossip site, he most definitely is not "better than this."

That is a fascinating observation. Your post elevated my mood.

Did you say idle gossip and baseless speculation goes on at this board?

Maybe.

Here is some more baseless speculation about the development of an ABP for endogenous anabolic androgenic steroids:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27154828

Idle gossip.

Irrelevant.

Refrain from irrelevance please.

But Dr. rjm, the oral prednisone was for the same pre-race cheating as well. It's standard procedure.

Mr. Cortico wrote:

But Dr. rjm, the oral prednisone was for the same pre-race cheating as well. It's standard procedure.

Who says he's a doctor?

Newsnight. wrote:

Mr. Cortico wrote:

But Dr. rjm, the oral prednisone was for the same pre-race cheating as well. It's standard procedure.

Who says he's a doctor?

I did.

Newsnight. wrote:

Mr. Cortico wrote:

But Dr. rjm, the oral prednisone was for the same pre-race cheating as well. It's standard procedure.

Who says he's a doctor?

He's not a doctor. Likely a phd/masters candidate that utilizes pubmed quite a bit. He can be little brother type annoying, but I'm glad to see him hammering points that might just bring down this charade of doping that has been allowed to run rampant for so long. I'll back his play.

Does anyone even care about doping anymore? It's basically legal. Stop the waste of $$$ on doping witch hunts.

If you run the full distance and course against others running the same it can't be cheating.

Why is Yuliya Shobukhova the coach of Volha Mazuronak of Belarus?

Volha Mazuronak ran 2:24:48 at the Olympics and was ahead of all the American women.

http://www.si.com/olympics/2016/08/14/rio-olympics-womens-marathon-jemima-sumgong

The gold medal winner at the Olympics was Jemima Sumgong.

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/ban-on-boston-marathon-runner-up-is-lifted

She used a (legal) intra-articular injection of prednisolone and is managed by Federico Rosa.

It is just a coincidence.

rjm33 wrote:

You are talking about triamcinolone acetonide IM injections. They were getting TUEs for the IM injections, so it does not matter if they are detected in a drug test.

There is no bell that is triggered in the drug test.

Right answer. A TUE is the "free pass" when/if the test goes positive.