Never miss an opportunity to promote immigration. it's a good thing.
Never miss an opportunity to promote immigration. it's a good thing.
activeit wrote:
They shouldn't even be aloud in the military IN GENERAL they aren't even American, the entire program is being massively abused.
Why, do you want to enlist?
If not, then STFU while these real men provide you with the security under which you post drivel on the internet.
- Good to know he deployed: EZ duty in Kuwait. When does Shadrack and Leonard deploy?
- Army WCAP is both taxpayer and Army unit subsidized ..... we're footing the bill & somewhere in the Army some Soldier's making up for the fact that Shamrock/Leonard's of the world aren't pulling their weight.
- Time to write the Congressman ....
The only thing embarrassing is that the Army could only afford C Class runners not even the Kenyan B Team
Stupid Americans wrote:
http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1504880-immigrants-race-to-enlist-in-u-s-militaryEducate yourself before you looking dumb to everyone
Interesting. From the link:
"Historically, U.S. military had a far higher proportion of immigrants in its ranks during times of war, Stock said. Foreign-born troops made up about 20 percent of the U.S. military during World War I, and today immigrants comprise about 4 percent of the active-duty force. The decrease came about in part because the United States has not increased its quota for green cards in pace with globalization and population growth. The result is to dry up the military recruiting pool inadvertently."
The Real Lyndon LaRouche wrote:
Why is it a requirement that immigrants must suffer and have sub-optimal outcomes? Why do they have to go through a decade long hazing ritual to prove their sincerity?
The benefit to the US and the Army is the success of these guys will attract other East Africans into the program - the majority of which don't even run.
http://m.goarmy.com/benefits/additional-incentives/mavni.m.htmlAs another poster said there are a lot if Kenyans in the MAVNI program and they are deployed. They bring experience and expertise to bear.
If some think that the US would be better served by sending guys who can barely break 29 to the Olympics, then you deserve what you get.
Plenty of Kenyans join the Kenyan army for the same reasons. The US is getting good soldiers who will remain in the US and improve the gene pool.
welcome kenyans wrote:
The US is getting good soldiers who will remain in the US and improve the gene pool.
These guys can't even lift a gun.
LIrunner wrote:
http://www.runnersworld.com/olympic-trials/olympic-marathon-trials-contender-elkanah-kibetRead fun fact at end of article. Will answer your deployment questions
The OP must be someone new in these boards! The story of Elkanah Kibet came out in October last year and was posted on this site. It answers your question as to who these WCAP athletes are and how they get in there. Well, the standards are really high and you have to maintain it or you are send on combat fronts.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/10/for-the-love-of-running-how-elkanah-kibet-went-from-a-deployment-in-iraq-to-21131-at-the-chicago-marathon-in-less-than-a-year/Stupid Americans wrote:
Then you should take you fat ass and join the military. You don't even have an understanding of what's going on in the military and you call yourself an american. Right now, from 2009 USA army have been recruiting internationalast through MAVNI, and also 20% of new recruits are international. And to educate you you stupid ass son of a ...... they are more than 1000 Kenyans serving in the army right now and half of those are deployed. I am a Kenya serving and I have my friends serving in Afghanistan right now. And you stupid ass sits and type this nonsense makes me wonder what's wrong with American. You lazy people cry about immigrant and yet you are too lazy to do a anything to enlightened yourself. Go to your small computer and type in MAVNI Program and enlightened yourself about many Kenyans and international serving you so called country and see the benefits this menew and women have brought to the army. And right now the program if open. For Marines, Airforce and Navy. I case you will start crying like a ltitle baby onces you find out the Marines leading the front line are Kenyans.
...further proof that you do NOT have to learn English to join the US military.
American Star wrote:
LIrunner wrote:http://www.runnersworld.com/olympic-trials/olympic-marathon-trials-contender-elkanah-kibetRead fun fact at end of article. Will answer your deployment questions
The OP must be someone new in these boards! The story of Elkanah Kibet came out in October last year and was posted on this site. It answers your question as to who these WCAP athletes are and how they get in there. Well, the standards are really high and you have to maintain it or you are send on combat fronts.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/10/for-the-love-of-running-how-elkanah-kibet-went-from-a-deployment-in-iraq-to-21131-at-the-chicago-marathon-in-less-than-a-year/
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WCAP doesn't "smell" right ......
Observation: Maj Browne's milked the WCAP for everything its worth during his almost 20 year career .... making at best cameo military deployments that he just couldn't avoid and most likely congruent with his post-Olympic career vs pre-Olympic. In other words he worked Iraq & Afghanistan around his track and field career. Then again ... it's probably why a West Point grad's retiring as a Major -- good on "big Army"!
Observation: Maj Browne's manipulated the WCAP to train in Beaverton/Mammoth at an additional expense to the government taxpayer to better serve his personal situation. No doubt, assigning these athletes ... ahem, soldiers ... to the normal WCAP Detachment their at Fort Carson and in the vicinity of USOC Training Center would have been more appropriate and certainly saved the taxpayer money. Instead, Maj Browne avoids a Colorado Springs assignment & reinforces his "Nike Network" connections to no doubt set conditions for "Browne 2.0" when he retires from the military next year. No doubt, he has aspirations of becoming Salazaar's next Magness but this time w/o the drama .... there is nothing Beaverton/Mammoth have on Fort Carson/Colorado Springs other than "This is where Major Browne lives!"
Observation: No doubt, Maj Browne's led a WCAP "word-of-mouth" campaign has spread amongst NCAA Kenyans .... enlist, fast-track immigration to dual citizenship, train professionally, get a 2nd salary w/sponsors, avoid Iraq & Afghanistan deployments, have a better chance at making US Olympic/WC teams than in Kenya, get the GI Bill & other benefits on the way-out ... what a deal as long as you avoid combat! Do we really think Major Browne's not out their with a whisper campaign to the NCAA Kenyans?
Recommendation: Fire Major Browne and hire Capt. Florent Groberg (Medal of Honor) to run this WCAP.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7441269&page=6#ixzz4DSJ45M1nYes, you are the only one that feels that way Donald Trump.
- I'll take facts over feeling any day
- WCAP is a new model that traditional American LD runners are going to have to contend with as they seek to make Olympic and World teams. You can expect message boards to "chirp" immigration and WCAP enlistment rumors. Folks won't ever know who's lining up ....
- What's unfortunate is that only Robert Cheseret is apparently the only one to renounce his Kenyan citizenship .... a requirement for a commission versus enlistment. Good on him for making the commitment and maximizing his college education at Arizona. We'll see if he takes the Major Dan Browne rout ... return home & join the National Guard, move from P/T Guardsmen duty to F/T only when the WCAP picks you up to run & in this case coach every 2 years. Milk, Milk, Milk, .....
- I see ZERO reason that these post-collegiate athletes require the American taxpayer to buy them a coach.
People from all over the world with NO ATHLETIC talent whatsoever join the US army for many reasons including getting citizenship. This isn't unique to the WCAP. My shipmate when I was in the US Navy was from a poor rural village in Spain and when the US Navy recruiters came to his village he signed up and he was sent to the US with NO special talent and didn't even speak English. He ended up doing a full 20 year career in the Navy and was later earned a commission as an officer and went on many deployments. South Koreans who have a green card only join the US Army all the time without being a US citizen. Many other countries from South America and the Phillipines enlist without being a US citizen. It's been happening forever and still happening. They are becoming US citizens the legal route in manner that most Americans would never do. Only 7% of living Americans have ever served in our Armed Forces. Rather than criticize them, we should be grateful for their service.
Lickety Split wrote:
- I'll take facts over feeling any day
- WCAP is a new model that traditional American LD runners are going to have to contend with as they seek to make Olympic and World teams. You can expect message boards to "chirp" immigration and WCAP enlistment rumors. Folks won't ever know who's lining up ....
- What's unfortunate is that only Robert Cheseret is apparently the only one to renounce his Kenyan citizenship .... a requirement for a commission versus enlistment. Good on him for making the commitment and maximizing his college education at Arizona. We'll see if he takes the Major Dan Browne rout ... return home & join the National Guard, move from P/T Guardsmen duty to F/T only when the WCAP picks you up to run & in this case coach every 2 years. Milk, Milk, Milk, .....
- I see ZERO reason that these post-collegiate athletes require the American taxpayer to buy them a coach.
WCAP is nothing new. I think Shawn Foud finished 4th at trails years ago.
Again, I'm sure if there are other Americans out there interested in the program and they meet the standards that they would have a shot at being on the team.
How many 13:30/28:15 guys do we have? How many of these are interested in or even qualified for military service?
Alan
Steve red wrote:
The only thing embarrassing is that the Army could only afford C Class runners not even the Kenyan B Team
I also find it Embarrassing that out of 150,000,000 guys we can only make 1 that is better than the Kenyan C Class. We, as a nation, are a Galen Rupp away from being Qatar.
slopenguinrunner wrote:
activeit wrote:Seriously those 10k guys aren't even American, they shouldn't even be aloud to compete. Am I the only one who feels this way?
They literally were paid to convert to American citizenship to run for the US, seriously embarrassing.
The embarrassing fact is that foreign nationals are more willing to serve in the United States Army than your typical off meds, depressed, millennial LRC keyboard cowboy hunkered down in his mom's basement.
To the Kenyans, I say congrats on being an American.
To the rest, I say its time to reinstate the draft.
I fixed that for you.
We're close, but thanks to Jager, Centro, & Galen there's still hope .... really disappointed to see Jerry's group on the low-end of production for the men's side.
if they were white and from norway you would have had no problem
Not true. I interview enlistees after they've enlisted and before they get their security clearance. Within the last 2 months I have interviewed an illegal immigrant (DACA) and a woman in the US on a student visa.
soveriegn citizen wrote:
FYI for all the morons like not exactly:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/enlcitizen.htm"In order to join the US Military, you must either be a US citizen, or you must be a legal permanent immigrant, physically living in the United States, with a green card."