The Next Girls Phenom Has Arrived

coahc wrote:

I agree just like the little 12 year old girl in Australia who has run 9:26 for 3k and 16:48 for 5k. It all really doesn't matter till they get to the world stage in 8-10 years!

In 8-10 years there will be no women's running. It will all be men who identify as women.

She's incredible but it's worth noting the new course runs about ~10-20 seconds faster depending on who you ask

The concern I have is that the stress and miles they need to put on their young bodies leads to injuries and frustration. Not everyone can handle this much this early. Excessive training under the age of 13 can be counter productive.

Another girl who's hero is JORDAN HASAY. Jordan Hasay is the most important female distance runner in USA HISTORY.

https://twitter.com/noellef27/status/660474111035097089?lang=en

They all want to be just like her! Why not!

What better girl to beat Jordan's 8th grade record.

Tuohy has the most remarkable running physique I have ever seen on a 15-year old:

http://temp.milesplit.com/images/234225/a.jpg

She looks like an Olympian already. Truly a running machine.

"running physique "

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Part genetic but yes, she's toned. I don't think I'd coach to try an attain that but that's her business (at 15).

Just want to acknowledge the OG thread. What a ride this is turning out to be.

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The girl in 4th in the video, Sam Peterman, is having the race of her life. She has a rare condition, NCS, which causes her to lose control of her legs at the end of races. Her coach is there to catch her, as she finishes in a PR of 4:28.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/15/sports/race-after-race-teenager-crosses-finish-line-then-collapses.html

Also, I am pretty sure that Chmiel never beat Tuohy (feel free to correct me on this, NY folks). Imagine: you are a one of the fastest HS freshman runners of all time (4:23), yet over the next four years you will never win against a girl in the same section and a year younger than you! For Kelsey, to persist, with great success, has been very impressive.

YMMV wrote:

Also, I am pretty sure that Chmiel never beat Tuohy (feel free to correct me on this, NY folks). Imagine: you are a one of the fastest HS freshman runners of all time (4:23), yet over the next four years you will never win against a girl in the same section and a year younger than you! For Kelsey, to persist, with great success, has been very impressive.

When Kelsey was a freshman and sophomore she regularly beat Tuohy in XC by a good margin. But I think you are right in starting in 8th grade Tuohy won head to head at the 1500 although Kelsey did run a lot of 3000s in the state meet. Also, they were in different sections - Tuohy in section 1 and Kelsey in section 2 so they only met in major meets.

pert wrote:

Sure you can smack the fellas on this post about going overboard about a Jr High student. Give some smack to any overbearing parents and coaches as well. They should back off on pushing young runners too hard............but much bad behavior has its root cause..........$$$$$ or the dream of it

Its like this in gymnastics, is it?

At this rate, she could become a Tirunesh Dibaba or a Meseret Defar.

4:24 is amazing and on par with some of the best ever....

I just hope she has a grounded base.

Three of the best runners ever in my opinion burnt themselves out by their 20s.

These were the Pings and Tuohys of their time...

Milena Glusac, Carrie Garritson and Amy Skieresz.

I hope Katelyn's parents/coaches really know what they are doing besides speed and distance.

I really do.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

At this rate, she could become a Tirunesh Dibaba or a Meseret Defar.

4:24 is amazing and on par with some of the best ever....

I just hope she has a grounded base.

Three of the best runners ever in my opinion burnt themselves out by their 20s.

These were the Pings and Tuohys of their time...

Milena Glusac, Carrie Garritson and Amy Skieresz.

I hope Katelyn's parents/coaches really know what they are doing besides speed and distance.

I really do.

At least two, if not all three, of those girls had ED's. Tuohy certainly doesn't seem to have that issue, and has stayed pretty healthy overall.

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Thanks for the bump, I'd never seen this thread. There's a lot of irony with how things played out.

Chmiel and Tuohy became friends and teammates.

From the field in that long ago NY State 1500:

Watson via A&M already turned pro.

Lawson a star at Stanford.

Wheeler at Providence just qualified for NCAA indoor 5k with Chmiel.

Hurta at CU near top of both the 800 and mile lists.

And the little 8th grader opened her college career with the nation leading freshman 3k.

(Yeah, I know all the experts think it's too slow, but the, for me unexpected, flat track conversion gets it to 9:14 and almost qualified for nats!)

Well, the circus continues this weekend already with acc league meet. Will be interesting to see how NC State uses the roster for this one.

jjjjjj wrote:

4:24 is an incredible time. That is worth about a 4:42-3 mile...

Small point, but the standard conversion from 1500 to a mile (not 1600) is 108%. So to a 4:24, which equals 264 seconds, you would add a little more than 21 seconds to get a mile time. That would make her 4:24.36 worth a 4:45-mid.

Another side point, for those not familiar with New York HS t&f: Boys run 1600 and 3200, girls run 1500 and 3000. Been that way for decades in NYS.

aways interesting seeing old threads like that and people have progressed.

I'm with you, I thought Tuohy's times were fine, especially given the circumstances. Actually in looking at the ACC Finals in 2020, her time was the same as Shaw's who came in 5th. Chmiel was 6th at 9:22.

While it will go good to see her race again, I don't expect 1 week to make much of a difference for her stamina. ANyway, will be good to watch.

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