You have the wrong CR in the Brazier story! It's not Ryun's.

You guys don't have to argue about this anymore

PER NCAA

College Best Jim Ryun - Kansas 1:44.3h 6/10/1966

800m Finals

1 Donavan Brazier FR Texas A&M 1:43.55

Besides the Collegiate record Brazier also bests Ryun's Junior record EXACTLY on the 50th anniversary of his record.

Diametrical Myles wrote:

PER NCAA

College Best Jim Ryun - Kansas 1:44.3h 6/10/1966

800m Finals

1 Donavan Brazier FR Texas A&M 1:43.55

Besides the Collegiate record Brazier also bests Ryun's Junior record EXACTLY on the 50th anniversary of his record.

Well done..!

Metric Miler wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to just decide that it was 1:44.30 out of all the possibilities and only by running 1:44.29 does another collegiate take the record.

The only correct, logical, and 100% infallible statement is that he cannot have run 800m slower than 1:44.9 and so that stands as the record. The only recorded time.

The only reason someone would argue otherwise is because they like Jim Ryun and want him to hold the record.

The IAAF lists his 800m PB as 1:44.3 both on the all-time junior list and his individual page.

Can we all agree Brazier broke Julius Achon's record of1:44.55 ?

calling a trowel a trowel wrote:

Can we all agree Brazier broke Julius Achon's record of1:44.55 ?

No, because Achon didn't hold the record. A clerical error caused by people with low level mentalities.

Cruz ran 1:41.77 a few months after winning NCAA. It's the University of Oregon record. He also won the Olympic 800m gold that same year.

calling a trowel a trowel wrote:

Can we all agree Brazier broke Julius Achon's record of1:44.55 ?

Yes. Any other contention is wrong.

Why is Cruz not the record holder? After NCCAs doesn't count? Not a college race?

Oregon count it as their university record.

Question my friend wrote:

Why is Cruz not the record holder After NCCAs doesn't count? Yes it does not count according to NCAA

Not a college race? Yes it does not count according to NCAA

Oregon counts it as their university record.

Duck U can count what ever the want to count as their school record.

Is there a word that describes self-answered questions?

Question my friend wrote:

Why is Cruz not the record holder? After NCCAs doesn't count? Not a college race?

Oregon count it as their university record.

Because he had graduated. High Schoolers don't have a place for their summer running times to count before college. After college you expected to go to work, or graduate school where any new records don't count.

Based on the logic of giving Ryun the 800m record based on an estimation, Bolt should be awarded the 100 yards world record. Also, what was Webb's 1500m estimated split in his 3:46 mile?

Graduated wrote:

Question my friend wrote:

Why is Cruz not the record holder? After NCCAs doesn't count? Not a college race?

Oregon count it as their university record.

Because he had graduated. High Schoolers don't have a place for their summer running times to count before college. After college you expected to go to work, or graduate school where any new records don't count.

Sure they do, aren't most HS records like Webb's 3:53 set shortly after graduation?

Total bs record wrote:

Based on the logic of giving Ryun the 800m record based on an estimation, Bolt should be awarded the 100 yards world record. Also, what was Webb's 1500m estimated split in his 3:46 mile?

You lost long ago. Ryun held the Collegiate, and American Junior 800m records with 1.44.3c.

webb hs record wrote:

Graduated wrote:

Because he had graduated. High Schoolers don't have a place for their summer running times to count before college. After college you expected to go to work, or graduate school where any new records don't count.

Sure they do, aren't most HS records like Webb's 3:53 set shortly after graduation?

Post-college times are not treated the same same as post-high school times.

Most HS records are set after graduation in meets were pros are running. Rarely does a high school runner win. Ryun's 3:55.3 was an exception; a win against the reigning Olympic champ.

'HELD' the record.key word.....HELDpast tense.Donovan Brazier HAS the record NOWi'm so tired of hearing all the Jim Ryun speculation, this Brazier kid made my week by proving, without a doubt, he's the best collegiate 800m runner (by time) ever.ps. I know Jim Ryun was an amazing runner. Never said he wasn't

smile wrote:

Check the Board Bob wrote:

The collegiate "record" in the men's 800 is 1:44.55 by Juluis Achon of George Mason in 1996.

And Earl Jones ran 1:43.74 as a collegian in the summer of 1984, so Teddy can make a note.

No, Ryun holds the record.

Ryun Hall of Memories wrote:

i'm so tired of hearing all the Jim Ryun speculation[/quote]

if you were tired of it then you wouldn't have again on this thread.

1/10 for obvious trolling.

PS. Ryun held the record for 50 years, and it was a world record. Brazier didn't set a world record, and it is unlikely he will hold the record for 50 years.

Ryun Hall of Memories wrote:

smile wrote:

No, Ryun holds the record.

'HELD' the record.

key word.....HELD

past tense.

Donovan Brazier HAS the record NOW

i'm so tired of hearing all the Jim Ryun speculation, this Brazier kid made my week by proving, without a doubt, he's the best collegiate 800m runner (by time) ever.

ps. I know Jim Ryun was an amazing runner. Never said he wasn't

Hey genius, check the date of the post you're responding to.

When I posted that message, Jim still held the record.

So no, I was right and you were wrong to try to correct me.

Oklahoma State's 5000 meter school record was set during an athlete's redshirt year, which tells us something about the standards and ethics of the program.

jsquire wrote:

The other complicating factor is that it was during Ryun's freshman year, and this was back when freshmen were not eligible. Would you count a record set during a redshirt year? If you say no, then it calls into question whether this should be the collegiate record.