seriously, how is he going to beat female Usain Bolt in the sprints, female Wayde Niekerk in the 400m, Rudisha, et al. in the 800m, etc.? On the positive side, with all those formerly male athletes competing in the women's events, Semenya may clean up in the male events.
jjjjjjj wrote:
seriously, how is he going to beat female Usain Bolt in the sprints, female Wayde Niekerk in the 400m, Rudisha, et al. in the 800m, etc.? On the positive side, with all those formerly male athletes competing in the women's events, Semenya may clean up in the male events.
Nice try, but Eaton, Bolt, and Niekerk can simply "identify" as men or women on a minute by minute basis and compete in both events. Any other interpretation of gender identity rules wouldn't make any sense.
DiscoGary wrote:
jjjjjjj wrote:seriously, how is he going to beat female Usain Bolt in the sprints, female Wayde Niekerk in the 400m, Rudisha, et al. in the 800m, etc.? On the positive side, with all those formerly male athletes competing in the women's events, Semenya may clean up in the male events.
Nice try, but Eaton, Bolt, and Niekerk can simply "identify" as men or women on a minute by minute basis and compete in both events. Any other interpretation of gender identity rules wouldn't make any sense.
thats gender "fluid"
there are sites for that wrote:
You daydream about Ashton Eaton being a woman?
+1
All you haters that want to put your heads in the sand and ignore this issue, and castigate Rojo for trying to face it... are idiots.
realisticrunner89 wrote:
All you haters that want to put your heads in the sand and ignore this issue, and castigate Rojo for trying to face it... are idiots.
I didn't know Rojo's Mom was a runner back in 89, good on her.
rojo wrote:
Given the fact that we are now seeing transgender people competing as women in US high school sports without treatment, I started day-dreaming today as I was working on a section for the Week That Was.
"If Ashton Eaton pulled a Caitlyn Jenner (but didn't have hormone treatment like Jenner), how many gold medals could she win?"
I'm thinking a ton.
Just looking at his PRs, it's clear the sprint events and hurdles would be easy for him so that's the 100, 200, 400, 100h, 400h. He wouldn't have much of a problem with the pole vault, high jump or long jump either. Oh yeah, he'd obviously easily win the women's heptathlon. That's 9 golds. Given how fast he is and how good he is in the long jump, we assume he could win the triple jump as well but maybe he should hold off until 2020 to try to learn this new event. But that's 10 golds.
In the throws, it's hard to compare his PRs to the winning marks at the Worlds/Olympics as the implements are different sizes but we're definitely giving him gold in the shot put. So that's 11. We forgot about the relays. Give him two more golds for the 4 x 100 and 4 x 400.
In the javelin, his PR of 66.64m is close to the 67.69m winning mark from 2015 Worlds and the women's javelin is 25% lighter (21 ounces versus 28) so it seems like he'd have a good shot there. That being said, a throws coach we talked to said in some ways it's harder to throw a women's javelin than a men's as it's like throwing a paper airplane and thus he'd have to learn a totally new throwing technique. We're not sure about the discus where his 47.36m pb is way off the 69.28m it took to win Worlds last year but the women's discus is half as heavy as the men's.
We think it's very safe to say Ashton Eaton could win at least 10 gold in women's track and field alone. If we were advising Eaton, we'd tell him to focus on going for at least 10 track golds in 2016. Even if he slipped up in one of the events where we think he could win gold in, he'd have a shot at a medal in the 800 as well. Then in 2020, we'd urge Eaton to expand his horizons. Do you not think he'd be dominant in boxing, rowing, weightlifting, and wrestling? We even think he'd make an excellent winger in soccer. Even if his skill isn't the best, he'd make an amazing offensive sub with his speed as he could get a breakaway or finish set pieces.
When you add it all up, 15, maybe 20, gold medals isn't out of the question. Of course, he might once again be playing second fiddle to Michael Phelps once again as Phelps would win virtually every women's gold medal in swimming.
What do you think? How many could Ashton win?
If you are a swimming expert, please tell us how many women's gold medals could Phelps win in swimming?
for those of you attacking rojo, this is clearly ghostwritten. it has none of the spelling errors or confusing syntax of a typical rojo post.
rojo wrote:
Given the fact that we are now seeing transgender people competing as women in US high school sports without treatment, I started day-dreaming today as I was working on a section for the Week That Was.
"If Ashton Eaton pulled a Caitlyn Jenner (but didn't have hormone treatment like Jenner), how many gold medals could she win?"
I'm thinking a ton.
Just looking at his PRs, it's clear the sprint events and hurdles would be easy for him so that's the 100, 200, 400, 100h, 400h. He wouldn't have much of a problem with the pole vault, high jump or long jump either. Oh yeah, he'd obviously easily win the women's heptathlon. That's 9 golds. Given how fast he is and how good he is in the long jump, we assume he could win the triple jump as well but maybe he should hold off until 2020 to try to learn this new event. But that's 10 golds.
In the throws, it's hard to compare his PRs to the winning marks at the Worlds/Olympics as the implements are different sizes but we're definitely giving him gold in the shot put. So that's 11. We forgot about the relays. Give him two more golds for the 4 x 100 and 4 x 400.
In the javelin, his PR of 66.64m is close to the 67.69m winning mark from 2015 Worlds and the women's javelin is 25% lighter (21 ounces versus 28) so it seems like he'd have a good shot there. That being said, a throws coach we talked to said in some ways it's harder to throw a women's javelin than a men's as it's like throwing a paper airplane and thus he'd have to learn a totally new throwing technique. We're not sure about the discus where his 47.36m pb is way off the 69.28m it took to win Worlds last year but the women's discus is half as heavy as the men's.
We think it's very safe to say Ashton Eaton could win at least 10 gold in women's track and field alone. If we were advising Eaton, we'd tell him to focus on going for at least 10 track golds in 2016. Even if he slipped up in one of the events where we think he could win gold in, he'd have a shot at a medal in the 800 as well. Then in 2020, we'd urge Eaton to expand his horizons. Do you not think he'd be dominant in boxing, rowing, weightlifting, and wrestling? We even think he'd make an excellent winger in soccer. Even if his skill isn't the best, he'd make an amazing offensive sub with his speed as he could get a breakaway or finish set pieces.
When you add it all up, 15, maybe 20, gold medals isn't out of the question. Of course, he might once again be playing second fiddle to Michael Phelps once again as Phelps would win virtually every women's gold medal in swimming.
What do you think? How many could Ashton win?
If you are a swimming expert, please tell us how many women's gold medals could Phelps win in swimming?
Sometimes I forget the Brojos are educated at an ivy school. Then they post something brilliant like this and I remember. Impressive journalism, Robert, make your family proud.
That would be an interesting sort of workout.
Going through it in my head, he could win (over two weeks):
100 (rounds give practically no hurt to ashton)
200 (same)
LJ
TJ
HJ - (he would at least medal. not a ton of talent in the HJ, but lets assume he's jumping on rather tired legs).
400 ~ Triple easily possible considering he can run a 45.
Shotput - Yes
Hammer - Yes
Discus - Yes (learning the technique on a girls discus once you've learned on the real one is not hard)
Javelin - Yes
800 - a stretch, but yes
Relays - Yes.
Honestly, going through rounds for this guy is like a normal workout day for this guy. He could throw once for rounds and then scratch the rest.
Joke is on us! wrote:
Your analysis is about right, and hope he does it to make a point. I am pretty sure Caster could pull of the unprecedented 400, 800, 1500 triple if she wasnt intent on sandbagging every race. Some would argue she couldnt win the 1500m but I am pretty sure in a tactical race without a rabbit that is won at around 4:00 she wouldnt be out sprinted by anybody.
Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon would destroy her.
Anyway, I bet Eaton could win the 800. So every event besides the distances longer than that.
I must admit I found this thread to be exceptionally off-putting. I understand that there's a complicated and real issue with women's running and sex, gender. But throwing it in the dirt - "pulling a Catelyn Jenner"- and exploring the most absurdist perspectives here does nothing to actually bring real discussion to the topic.
Rojo, I'm curious. What title or perspective do you view yourself in beyond running website founders and curators? Journalist? Blogger? Op-ed columnist?
This thread belongs in a tabloid.
You'd do yourself and your business a service by exercising better judgment.
CDA wrote:
Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon would destroy her.
I doubt it, if she was actually trying, she wins the last lap and that likely wins the race in an olympic final.
Only in America. wrote:
Only in America.
I posted that, I'm Australian and now I've had to send myself to the naughty boys room:
"The term “guys†has been given top billing in the Diversity Council of Australia’s new Words at Work Campaign, released with much fanfare by council chief David Morrison...“guys†is a no go. David Morrison himself says he’s removed it from his lexicon...a woeful campaign to ban the use of the apparently discriminatory term “hey guys†in Australian workplaces."
Where will it all end?
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/women-have-got-bigger-fish-to-fry-than-worrying-about-saying-guys-at-work/news-story/14c969f76211301589d6b0109f4da062easier this way wrote:
It's easier to name the track events he wouldn't win
1500, 5k, 10k, steeple, marathon, racewalks
Hammer throw probably a struggle
You're telling me Ashton Eaton (assuming he's fresh) can't run the 1500 in 4:00 (4:18ish mile)? I think he can right now if he was fresh, maybe that's just me.
What the hell would Jenner score for the pentathlon in 76' with the scoring tables? He might have raised the world record by 50 percent?Blah Blah Blah. wrote:
Grrrl powrrr wrote:Caitlyn Jenner has already won Oly gold in the men's decathlon, despite being a woman, which is an even greater accomplishment.
Jenner said he identified as a women before the Olympics. Hence, he should be disqualified because he entered as the wrong gender.