Was Caster Semenya's Final 100m in Doha the Fastest Ever Run in a Woman's 800?

You dont seem to remember back in 09, and 10 when Caster came out and dominated, other athletes openly snubbed Caster and talked about a boycott. Some even mentioned in interviews they viewed it as unfair and absurd. Oh they may give the high fives on the track. Who wants to look like the rude one in front of cameras? But you think they dont know theYre once again being cheated? Some may just uave given up somewhat and are content to be put in their place. But this wont get better unless the athletes boycott racing people like Caster. You know its often the most smiley and arrogant athletes who are the cheats. Look at Marion Jones, Pharmelita, Shelly Ann Fraser, etc. cheaters to the core, but always maie sure they are smiley and put up a good front for everyone. Its manipulation at its best, and so many of you fall for it. Stop supporting this b u l l s h i t.

I thought they outlawed this after the East German and Soviet "women" of the 1980's?

"Was Caster Semenya's Final 100m in Doha the Fastest Ever Run in a Woman's 800?"

0/10 on troll thread.

"Didn't seem to. They all congratulated her and nobody walked away or looked pissed off. Eunice Sum in fact looked very happy with Semenya, congratulating her enthusiastically."

you guys haven't been around women much i take it. that's what they do, they smile and act happy and then when she walks away say "that b*" and complain privately. don't believe me then ask a woman "what's wrong?" and see what she says.

They did, but since when has this sport had any guts to make tough decisions? Lifetime bans are still not in place, known cheats are welcomed back with open arms, under the table bribes proving corruption all over the place. Then again, theres a reason the rest of the world sees track & field as a joke and its following has diminished every year. Because they all know its a LIE! Athletes need to boycott racing against the cheats or the sport will continue being a laughingstock

Does anyone else think she has man-hands?

But which restroom he uses at Target? That would tell me a lot...

I just realized my mistake, I overlooked the obvious, regarding fastest last lap ever recorded:

I mentioned Wodars and forgot the WR holder who clocked 56.43 (cell time) at the bend, hence 56.83 last lap...

Metric Miler wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

How on earth do you know that?

Didn't seem to. They all congratulated her and nobody walked away or looked pissed off. Eunice Sum in fact looked very happy with Semenya, congratulating her enthusiastically.

How does anyone here know that the runners felt cheated? They didn't look as if they felt that way. To me it looks as though the people in this thread are projecting their own feelings onto the runners "they should boycott" etc.

I remember, back when Caster first burst onto the scene, Diane Cummins, Canada's top 800m runner at the time, was openly critical of her competing against women.

To her credit, Cummins was very gracious and stated that Semenya seemed like a very nice person, based on the conversations that they'd had, but that Caster clearly had an unfair advantage over the women that "she" was competing against.

I really hope that elite women stand up for the integrity of our sport and refuse to race athletes who are more genetically male than female. ALL elite athletes need to step up and refuse to race against athletes who have been found to knowingly use PEDs.

sacrifice for the greater good wrote:

...refuse to race athletes who are more genetically male than female...

Not only is (s)he more genetically male than female, (s)he is more socially male than female. Wore a tux to his wedding were he married a women. This whole thing is so over the top crazy, how did we get here?

He doesnt actually identify as female, nor does he have the female plumbing, so why exactly do we consider him female?

A different curve wrote:

sacrifice for the greater good wrote:

...refuse to race athletes who are more genetically male than female...

Not only is (s)he more genetically male than female, (s)he is more socially male than female. Wore a tux to his wedding were he married a women. This whole thing is so over the top crazy, how did we get here?

He doesnt actually identify as female, nor does he have the female plumbing, so why exactly do we consider him female?

Homosexuality doesn't make her male. Lesbian couples don't have to both wear dresses to a wedding because they are female you dinosaur.

Hand Model wrote:

Does anyone else think she has man-hands?

Man hands. Man biceps. Man pectorals. Man facial features. Man quads. Man reproductive parts. Him being permitted to compete in the women's events is a disgrace.

[quote]kjVC wrote:

She has 100% all-female parts.

That is why she is allowed to compete with Women, because she is a Woman./quote]

The IAAF refused to release her sex test results under privacy laws

its certainly possible,although i thought kratochvilova might have done quicker.She had much quicker leg speed than semenya.caster semenya does have handy speed,and you dont often see her fade,at the finish of a race,provided she's on form.Maria mutola was similar,in that regard.Meanwhile can you answer,whatever happened to pamela jelimo?i read somewhere she may have had an intersex condition,like semenya.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

The IAAF refused to release her sex test results under privacy laws

Which is the correct procedure. They did not disqualify her.

I won't deny that this looked like a completely dominating performance, and it also looked like Semenya could have run 2-3 seconds faster; it did not look like a fair fight.

However, posters who claim that she should be disqualified because she doesn't look like a woman, or because she married another woman, or who refer to her as "he", frankly don't help their cause. If there is an unambiguous bimodality in testosterone levels, and if that turns out to be one of the key determinants for athletic ability, it would seem to be much more sensible to establish competition categories based on those, than trying to establish who has a right to call herself a man or a woman.

The final stretch for the Rome race looks pretty strong too. Easily 1.53-1.52 form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2o6ozYeWAw

A different curve wrote:

sacrifice for the greater good wrote:

...refuse to race athletes who are more genetically male than female...

Not only is (s)he more genetically male than female, (s)he is more socially male than female. Wore a tux to his wedding were he married a women. This whole thing is so over the top crazy, how did we get here?

He doesnt actually identify as female, nor does he have the female plumbing, so why exactly do we consider him female?

From the information around, Caster Semenya identifies as female and has female external genitalia. None of her family who raised her could tell she was anything other than just a little girl.

One lady wearing a tux to her wedding is a common thing that happens with lesbian couples.

One factor that makes Semenya's case so startling, is the current crop of 800m women is so weak.

Dibaba could run 1:54 for sure. We have had athletes in the past for whom 1:55/1:56 was an average time. If you compare the current 800m girls to their male counterparts, and do the same with the 400m/ 1500m/5000m you will see that the 800m is pathetic. Sub 2 minutes has become some kind of 'gold standard' for women, but it just isn't that fast.

Without any statistical analysis, think of highschool boys times. 3:50-3:55 would be pretty damn decent. 49/50 again is a solid time. 14:10-14:30 pretty good also. 2:00? Not really.

What is interesting, is Niyonsaba is rumoured to have a similar intersex condition to Semenya, but is nowhere near as powerful and only slightly better than the other girls running right now. This shows that these conditions have to be looked at on a case by case basis. Niyonsaba isn't significantly better than the other girls at all, and nothing special when you compare her to athletes all time.

Also testosterone is literally no explanation for why Semenya has such a massively muscular physique. She is much bigger than a lot of male middle distance runners. Must spend a lot of time in the gym.

So we have tried to construct something called "women's sports". Now we discover that this construct doesn't work well, at least at the elite international level. This gender ambiguity thing compounds the difficulties that all sports, but especially women's sports, face because of the ability to chemically manipulate performance levels. The current idea of single gender sports will work fine at the level of amateur sports and recreational sports, but internationally it looks like women's sports are doomed (and over a longer time frame international men's sports are doomed also).

LetsRun.com wrote:

Pierre-Jean Vazel has another tweet where he has American Nicole Teter closing in 13.6 in 2002 to win the DN Galan meet in 1:58.12.

So those are the two fastest closes he knows of.

Many men have closed faster than Semenya.