WatchedIt wrote:
Not even close!
Did Colby MF Gilbert throw down like a beast and take town Cheserek?
WatchedIt wrote:
Not even close!
Did Colby MF Gilbert throw down like a beast and take town Cheserek?
agree w rojo wrote:
I agree with Robert Johnson - well Letsruns Rojo - not Oregon's Rojo.
By telling them who they can and can't talk to, you are bordering on plantation type control.
That is pathetic. Part of the student-athlete experience should be developing skills not directly related to the field of play. Media interviews and public outreach are great learning experiences, and help set up athletes as more inviting to sponsors, not to mention real careers (more so than zipping their mouths shut.)
jewbacca wrote:
Can't believe Ches lost at home. Was it a hot day? Has he been hurt? I can't believe he doesn't have the speed to cover that kind of move. It wasn't THAT fast.
He LET him go.
Duh.
Ches knows when not to waste energy (while scrubs kill themselves for minor prizes). This is just like Curtain all over, or Bumbalough dipping Rupp in heats.
Yawn.
Ches obvi wasn't too bummed as he was out grinding around at TAYLORS last night
I remember some dude named Kurtain or something beating the King in a regular season Cross meet but he sure didn't beat him at NCAA's. The King has what 13 National Championships now not even including 3 in Cross WOW.
jewbacca wrote:
Can't believe Ches lost at home. Was it a hot day? Has he been hurt? I can't believe he doesn't have the speed to cover that kind of move. It wasn't THAT fast.
That's what TV commentator Tom Feuer on the Pac-12 Networks would have you believe. In a stunningly insulting string of comments at the finish, he sounded like a paid public relations flunky for Cheserek.
He simply ASSumed that Cheserek must have been training very hard, thousands of miles, as if Gilbert doesn't also run many miles a week. Feuer has no idea what Cheserek's training over the last week or two has been. It was very condescending and unfair to Gilbert. Feuer has been a TV commentator for decades, and sounds like he's full of facts, but some of those "facts" just come out of his butt.
Yes, the Kenyan will probably win at NCAA, finish his college career with 900 national titles, but he lost this race, and if he hadn't the Ducks would have had a clear team win over Penn State rather than a tie.
Typical of all you college and recent college runner boys. The best championship runner (of 3 seasons per year) doesn't perform his best about a month after one set of championships and 1-2 months before the next, and he's done for. Too funny. It's as if all you boys have drank the koolaid, believing the path to success is racing at least once every weekend up to your best. It's through no fault of your own though. To your coaches (biggest influence on your running careers), you're at most 4 years from retirement, and their success always rides on what happens in the next couple months. You're foot soldiers in a trench warfare if you can't be comfortable with training 95% today and deal with being at 95% this weekend, opposed to training 90% this week so you can race 100% at a non championship meet. And heaven forbid, you race at 95% effort so your will power doesn't crash a couple days and weeks later.
Cheserek, for all his talent and work, his greatest skill appears to be knowing himself, how to have 100% when it counts, and maturity to sacrifice to make that happen.
Let's see who's name is in the headlines after nationals.
Was anyone there? Someone mentioned he "pulled up" the last 150, which could mean he either didn't want to sprint bc of some sort of injury (hamstring? Achilles?) or he just didn't have it. Would be interesting to hear if he was limping at all after the race.
There's a link to the video. Looked like he was finishing a workout.
H8r status wrote:
Y'all are the biggest haters on Ches. He is no different than if another good East African would come into the NCAA level. He wouldn't even contend on the international scale, unlike many East African studs.
Well he is about 25-26 years old.
Hmmm😎 wrote:
H8r status wrote:Y'all are the biggest haters on Ches. He is no different than if another good East African would come into the NCAA level. He wouldn't even contend on the international scale, unlike many East African studs.
Well he is about 25-26 years old.
El wrongo. Ches turned 22 earlier this year, and Gilbert turned 22 earlier this year.
thisguy wrote:
Was anyone there? Someone mentioned he "pulled up" the last 150, which could mean he either didn't want to sprint bc of some sort of injury (hamstring? Achilles?) or he just didn't have it. Would be interesting to hear if he was limping at all after the race.
Cheserek quit trying about 10m before the water barrier, which is about 1/3 of the way into the final curve. He did not look good on the backstretch; his arms & legs were in bad form.
HERE is a fact wrote:
Hmmm😎 wrote:Well he is about 25-26 years old.
El wrongo. Ches turned 22 earlier this year, and Gilbert turned 22 earlier this year.
Sorry, I mistyped, Gilbert turned 21 earlier this year. 13.5 month age diff.
agree w rojo wrote:
I agree with Robert Johnson - well Letsruns Rojo - not Oregon's Rojo.
By telling them who they can and can't talk to, you are bordering on plantation type control.
Duck Dumbnasty wrote:
That is pathetic. Part of the student-athlete experience should be developing skills not directly related to the field of play. Media interviews and public outreach are great learning experiences, and help set up athletes as more inviting to sponsors, not to mention real careers (more so than zipping their mouths shut.)
It's probably just Letsrun interviews that he was concerned about .
Head coach Johnson says he "frickin hates losing"
Isn't frickin/fricken/fricking a substitute for a nasty word?
nice giveaway of crumbs wrote:
jewbacca wrote:Can't believe Ches lost at home. Was it a hot day? Has he been hurt? I can't believe he doesn't have the speed to cover that kind of move. It wasn't THAT fast.
He LET him go.
Duh.
Ches knows when not to waste energy (while scrubs kill themselves for minor prizes). This is just like Curtain all over, or Bumbalough dipping Rupp in heats.
Yawn.
I don't buy it. Home crowd, slow(er) race, moderate kick. A 29s 200m sprint at that point is not "wasting energy" for an in-shape Ches.
Not to denigrate Gilbert's excellent race, but you can see on the video that Ches clearly gave up and decided not to expend the effort to give chase.
Lots of possible explanations, maybe a nagging injury, overraced or just not feeling so good that day. You could view it as a positive that Ches' ego is restrained enough to know when not to wreck himself.
It's not like he was grimacing and flailing trying to cover Gilbert's move, I wouldn't read much into this.
Gilbert crushed Cheserek, who gave up when he had no chance to win.
rojo wrote:
Ken Goe's recap of the meet is now up.
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2016/04/edward_cheserek_loses_and_the.htmlHere's what he said about King Ches.
Ken Goe wrote:Washington's Colby Gilbert, a sophomore from Vancouver's Skyview High School, kept grinding from in front of the men's 5,000. In the end, Cheserek – Oregon's 13-time NCAA champion – couldn't answer Gilbert's 60-second final lap.
"I knew he had a really explosive kick, so I was waiting for him to go," Gilbert said. "I was going to try to go with him and hold him on the outside. But he wasn't there. So I didn't really go until the last 150. By the time I hit the final 100 I saw I had huge gap."
Gilbert crossed in 13:44.96. Cheserek was second in in 13:50.82.
Afterward, Robert Johnson intimated Cheserek wasn't fully 100 percent, although he wouldn't elaborate. And he declined to allow Cheserek to speak for himself to reporters.
Can someone tell me why college coaches can order athletes not to speak to the media. I 100% think athletes shouldn't be paid but also 100% think they should be allowed to talk to whoever the hell they want.
Its pretty simple, coaches know their athletes personality and sensitivity.
They are managing that aspect for the athlete, basic coaching. A coach understands as well the idiotic questions asked by press and especially untrained wannabe reporters with journalistic ineptitude.
I was there. For the entire race, Ches was smiling, looking at the fans in the stands and just treating it as a training run on a nice day. You'd have to be pretty naïve to think that this was some significant race for him that he needed to win.