oh please wrote:
...It's non-sense to say...
Wow. I think that's a new one, even for the LRC boards...
oh please wrote:
...It's non-sense to say...
Wow. I think that's a new one, even for the LRC boards...
Trolling again, heh, John?
Rupp has a relatively low VO2 max compared with top Americans. He is fast however and has incredible efficiency and economy. Thats why he struggles at the 3k-5k distances and is able to still succeed at the 1500 and marathon.
The replies are from Portland 90 mainly.
I have no doubt he could make the team on something less than his best day. But he is recovering from his first marathon ever, and a damn good one at that! Who knows what will happen but I'd say don't count him out!
VO2 maxed out wrote:
Rupp has a relatively low VO2 max compared with top Americans. He is fast however and has incredible efficiency and economy. Thats why he struggles at the 3k-5k distances and is able to still succeed at the 1500 and marathon.
Do you even know what V02 max means?
learned scholar wrote:
VO2 maxed out wrote:Rupp has a relatively low VO2 max compared with top Americans. He is fast however and has incredible efficiency and economy. Thats why he struggles at the 3k-5k distances and is able to still succeed at the 1500 and marathon.
Do you even know what V02 max means?
And where were all the VO2 maxes of US elites measured in a controlled study and compared against one another?
Learned scholar's post shows why this board is trash, throw some buzzwords and coachspeak in a post to sound smart when you have no clue what you are talking about (or any hard evidence to back it up).
Wu Ming wrote:
I have not forgotten that at USA indoor in 2012, Rupp finished 3rd in both the 1500 (behind Manzano & Centrowitz) and 3rd in the 3k (behind Lagat & Lomong). Even though he ended up going to WIC in the 1500 -- because Manzano opted out -- those two races at the 2012 USA indoor championship that you highlight comprise the total of Rupp's USATF championship appearances -- junior and senior -- going all the way back to 2003 -- when he failed to finish high enough to qualify for whatever global championship he was seeking (WYC, WJC, WC, WIC, OG).
From 2003 through 2015, Rupp has lined up for a final 21 times at USATF championship events (junior and senior -- at 1500, 3k, 5k, 10k). In all of those, except USATF junior in 2005, when he was 2nd in the 1500 and no global championship spot was a factor, he has successfully qualified for the global championship he was seeking every time -- except USATF indoors in 2012.
In those 21 finals, he has finished 1st or 2nd 17 times, and of the four 3rd place finishes, two were the 2011 & 2015 5k, where 3rd place was good enough to go to WC (and where he was doubling in the meet in 10k). So, I have not forgotten USATF indoors in 2012, but I have also not forgotten his long and very successful career at USATF championship races. USATF indoors in 2012 (at 1500 and 3k) is his only USATF championship failure in this very long list.
Given all of this, were I betting person, I would not bet against Rupp for one of the top 2 spots in this upcoming USATF indoor 3k. However, the present context is significant: He is 'doubling back' -- so to speak -- from a marathon, and this 3k field is deep and competitive. So, even though I would not bet against him, I would not bet very much on him in this instance. This particular 3k, a month after that marathon, seems a challenge.
Look you make some good points. Rupp has gotten it down in the past but the vast majority of that was outdoors which is easier for him because it's a 5000, not a 3000 and there are 3 spots, not 2.
Plus few of you seem to realize he's doing this a few weeks after a marathon. You say you wouldn't bet against him. I certainly would take the field over Rupp for the 2nd spot. If Centro enters the 3k, then Rupp shouldn't even bother running as he ain't going.
7:30 guy wrote:
I get that he almost didn't make the 5K team while doubling back from the 10,000 last year. But I'm sure you remember he barely raced last summer going into USAs which would probably mean he was less than race sharp, and he also may have been a little weighed down with the allegations. He came in 3rd at the PRE DL 5000 and then I think that was it until USAs.
A few reasons to say he is our best 3000 runner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJlNVwl5ozwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4WTkFURgeohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6THCMRwExnI
What do rabbited races have to do with anything? If this was an all out rabbited 3000, Rupp's odds would be much greater. This is a tactical 3000.
Goucher Needles wrote:
The best chance of creating a qualifying difficulty for Rupp would If everybody in the field bonded together to create a race that was fast from the gun to exploit Rupp's lingering marathon fatigue and less than sharp track legs. The problem is that the other guys are trying to qualify not prevent Rupp from qualifying.
It'll be a typical championship style race, with a slow start and fast finish---the perfect set up for Rupp. I predict that he wins the USATF indoor 3000.
If he's not ready to win, he won't race. A Portlans World Indoors is huge for Rupp/Salazar/Nike, but it's not as important as the rest of the Olympic year.
I think totally the opposite. Rupp is a distance GOD. i THOUGHT FOR SURE he'd break the American born 5000 record last year when he ran that 5000 after Worlds. His endurance is world. His kick, despite the fast mile pb, has always been his Achilles heel.
He very well coudl get the spot. I think his and Jager's speed are similar. None are great at 800 but they can run a fast 1500/mile. Lopez doens't seem to be the same and Lagat is out.
oh please wrote:
The Brothers Johnson are admitted trolls. It's non-sense to say that a guy that has run a 3:50 mile, has kicked hard in an Olympics race for a medal, has kicked in 52 or there about in a championship 5k isn't fast. And yea, you know, make virtually every team he's tried for a decade. Olympics, indoor/outdoor WC. He'd be the best XC runner too if he cared.
It amazes me that peole think we are trolling our own site. I've been leading the Rupp marathon bandwagon since he declared for that race. Everyone said, "But he hasn't done one yet." I was like, "I don't care. He's going to win it." He did.
I just think I understand distance very well and think it's hard to come back from a marathon. No one tries it - for a reason.
He's made virtually every US team outdoors at 5000 and 10,000 not at 3000. He also hasnt' had to contend with Ryan Hill and Evan Jager. Hill is a lock for me and Jager has a better 1500 pb than Rupp. Now Jager missed some time and is similar to Rupp in terms of speed..
rojo wrote:
Plus few of you seem to realize he's doing this a few weeks after a marathon.
Really?!? Was this covered on the site???
Seriously, give the posters on this thread at least a hint of credit.
rojo: he finishes a 5k in 1:51 with a 52 last 400. How is his kick his Achilles heel? I'd rather say he's sans Achilles heel.
Somewhat reminds me when in 2011 Hall, coming off of 2:04* decided to run the 1 mile road championships 3 weeks later. His marathon pace was 4:46, finished his blazin' 1 mile in 4:17.
Obviously Rupp is a much better mid-d guy than Hall ever was. But to think he'll have a legs to run a 27 second last lap to beat out a talented and fast field in the neighborhood of 7:38 is preposterous.
Or put another way, if he does, add me to the list of the suspicious.
rojo wrote:
I just think I understand distance very well and think it's hard to come back from a marathon. No one tries it - for a reason.
As no one tries we have no data to understand why.
This is good that he is trying so we will have something to compare to.
I am thinking that if the marathon effort was less than all out, then four weeks recover may be adequate.
I've seen Michael Wardian run a 2:30 marathon one day and then a sub 16 5K the very next morning.
It's good to see a runner go into uncharted territory instead of playing it by the book all the time.
rojo wrote:
oh please wrote:The Brothers Johnson are admitted trolls. It's non-sense to say that a guy that has run a 3:50 mile, has kicked hard in an Olympics race for a medal, has kicked in 52 or there about in a championship 5k isn't fast. And yea, you know, make virtually every team he's tried for a decade. Olympics, indoor/outdoor WC. He'd be the best XC runner too if he cared.
It amazes me that peole think we are trolling our own site. I've been leading the Rupp marathon bandwagon since he declared for that race. Everyone said, "But he hasn't done one yet." I was like, "I don't care. He's going to win it." He did.
I just think I understand distance very well and think it's hard to come back from a marathon. No one tries it - for a reason.
He's made virtually every US team outdoors at 5000 and 10,000 not at 3000. He also hasnt' had to contend with Ryan Hill and Evan Jager. Hill is a lock for me and Jager has a better 1500 pb than Rupp. Now Jager missed some time and is similar to Rupp in terms of speed..
Salazar probably won't let him do it, but if Rupp were to go to the front and go through 1600 in 4:00, that would make the race interesting.