Magness on Genzebe: "The arrogance of it all is astounding"

wasnt there wrote:

Anyone that runs faster than his athletes must be up to no good. After all, he is the best coach on the planet. According to him. I've seen his kind before.

Logical fallacy.

Just sayin'.

Taking no sides here, but hiding behind a lazy ad-hoc name with no creativity, and having no logical rigor, will earn you my criticism.

With and without egregious and admitted/exposed Chinese and USSR cheaters, G. Dibaba is the fastest ever. On the planet right now, and in history. Way ahead of anyone else. You've taken your American-coach-among-many-bitterness argument/explanation to absurd extremes. Remind me, also of how Magness' beef with Salazar and controversy in the American running community, and his involvement with various athletes at various levels, also involves the Queen of Ethiopian world-beating female distance? That would seem like an irrelevant scapegoat for his local concerns, no? Remind me of which of Magness' female athletes with any involvement with him, have realistic shots at Championship medals and had realistic chances of beating the Ethiopian world-beating elite?

She ran 8:16 two years ago indoors. And a day per mile between races is the guide. She had two days. What is incredible is not that she ran 8:22 two days after (if she did--I couldn't find this result) a 4:13, it is that she ran 3:50.

She also suspects Mary Cain apparently, as a Salazar athlete, saying that since Cain is running there in Ireland, maybe I'll check the hotel to see if she left anything behind.

Magness ran his 4:01 high school mile while taking a vocal cord dysfunction medication that one could argue improves performance.

Hypocrite.

IDIOTS!

PEDs don't work.

Why don't you learn some REAL PHYSIOLOGY?

parkway wrote:

joho wrote:Respectfully, you answered your own question.

"The thing that makes us all nervous is the combination of her performances, her isolation from testing, Jama Aden's potential links with Driouch's doping."

Any athlete training under those conditions and then breaking WRs on an almost routine basis, will be under scrutiny.

I think the difference between thinking that an athlete who is way ahead of the field should be under heavy scrutiny and baldly stating that they're an obvious doper is pretty clear and pretty important.

We're in Bolt territory again; it's entirely plausible that they're clean, it's entirely plausible that they're not.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that we just don't know.

How is it plausible that they're clean?

Remember when you actually had to talk to people before you found out they were crazy? Twitter: proving the insanity of people since 2006.

short legs wrote:

smile wrote:

And Genzebe broke the Chinese woman's 1500m world record last year...

So if the Chinese women were on drugs, she is running faster than records everyone assumed were doped.

I could take all the drugs in the world and I'm not beating Kiprop. Faulty argument.

I didn't make an argument, I made a factual claim.

If the Chinese women were doped, as many believe, then she is faster than women who were on every drug under the sun.

That's not an argument, that's just a fact. If you want to believe that that isn't a reason to suspect she is on drugs, have at it.

Here's some more factual information. The women's 1500m all time list:

1 3:50.07 Genzebe Dibaba Ethiopia

2 3:50.46 Yunxia Qu China

3 3:50.98 Bo Jiang China

4 3:51.34 Yinglai Lang China

5 3:51.92 Junxia Wang China

6 3:52.47 Tatyana Kazankina Soviet Union

7 3:53.91 Lili Yin China

8 3:53.96 Paula Ivan Romania

9 3:53.97 Lixin Lan China

10 3:54.23 Olga Dvirna Soviet Union

11 3:54.52 Ling Zhang China

12 3:55.07 Yanmei Dong China

13 3:55.30 Hassiba Boulmerka Algeria

14 3:55.33 Sureyya Ayhan Turkey

15 3:55.68 Yuliya Fomenko Russia

16 3:56.05 Sifan Hassan Netherlands

Here is the same list, but with all Chinese & eastern bloc athletes removed, as well as athletes busted for doping removed:

1 3:50.07 Genzebe Dibaba Ethiopia

13 3:55.30 Hassiba Boulmerka Algeria

16 3:56.05 Sifan Hassan Netherlands

So Genzebe is over 5 seconds faster than the first non-Chinese / eastern bloc athlete. Over 1500 meters.

Nothing to see here!

Two points (random and not related):

1. Magness's book, "The Science of Running", is absolutely loaded with grammatical and typographical errors.

2. Genzebe Dibaba is smoking hot, regardless of whether she is doping.

rumours/facts wrote:

Have you seen you seen anyone from the group such as Wang Junxia herself refuting the story since it came out? Genuine question.

No, and there would be no point to doing so.

I think people paid a lot of attention to Magness because he was in NOP. The more he does stuff like this, the more it makes me wonder how much of his accusations are the product of guesswork, misremembering, paranoia, and viewing things in the worst light. He could be correct but he seems pretty quick to accuse.

Similarly,I am not sure why I am supposed to put so much stock in Willis' opinion. I like the guy and he is great to watch but I don't feel informed by his guesses.

If it is of any interest to anyone, the daniels charts indicate that 4:13 is equal to 8:22. This indicates to me that she is running these times off of strength alone, seeing as Daniels is more oriented toward training endurance (Poorly worded) and doesn't factor in natural speed.

wellnow/Jon O wrote:

IDIOTS!

PEDs don't work.

Why don't you learn some REAL PHYSIOLOGY?

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You forgot "pseudoscience"

Gene Summons wrote:

short legs wrote:

I could take all the drugs in the world and I'm not beating Kiprop. Faulty argument.

You'd get closer though.

misses the point^

Anyone who thinks Dibaba isn't doped is wearing one thick-ass pair of rose coloured glasses.

For 4+ years I openly called Lance Armstrong a DOPER on message boards, I was banned from countless ones, called Un-america, blah blah blah, I saw the Post office Parade him around as a God, when It was blatantly obvious he was a massive doper.

FOR 2+ years now I have called Dibaba, Didoper, and have been banned countless times. I will be proven correct again. My god she has 4 indoor world records now and an outdoor world record. WAKE UP. She is blowing known dopers out of the water from the past.

Isn't Magness a thyroid cheat just like Rupp, Fleshmann, Goucher, Kennedy, Hall, and some others? He was a part of NOP(e) for a significant period and wasn't even able to get anyone sanctioned for cheating. I'd say he is no cleaner than the athletes he is calling out.

Are we basically saying that records are no longer allowed to be set?

Why do they all have mustaches? The male and female Ethiopians have equal facial hair. Would guess the men never have to shave yet the women look the same.