heres a vid of jarmila kratochvilova,and one of her world records

Marita Koch won the 200 gold @ 22.13and the Silver at the 100 @ 11.02A Gold @ 4x100 m relayA Gold @ 4x400 m relay technically she did better Jarmilia.1983 T&F World Championships one of the greatest meets.Would've like to seen Steve Scott get the Gold but lost by .28 ofa second. Quit picking on Jarmilia most of the pictures of are Photochopped. She really is gracious humble women.

jamitsadvice wrote:

Quite a beatdown. Where was Marita Koch at the 1983 championships?

anon. wrote:

Marita Koch won the 200 gold @ 22.13

and the Silver at the 100 @ 11.02

A Gold @ 4x100 m relay

A Gold @ 4x400 m relay technically she did better Jarmilia.

1983 T&F World Championships one of the greatest meets.

Would've like to seen Steve Scott get the Gold but lost by .28 of

a second.

Quit picking on Jarmilia most of the pictures of are Photochopped.

She really is gracious humble women.

jamitsadvice wrote:

Quite a beatdown. Where was Marita Koch at the 1983 championships?

Photochop didn't exist in '83.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

What is interesting is that athletes had been using steroids at least since the 40s, but there were still people arguing that they were not effective and athletes were mainly benefiting from a placebo effect until the 80s. That sounds familiar.

Of course the drugs were much better in the 80s weren't they Mr Oblivious?

That's why no roided women since then have run as fast isn't it?

You're the expert, you tell us?

The sport has another problem besides doping. That it the obsession with doping. Do you really believe it is impossible for a woman to beat 47.6 without drugs?

Why? And can't you see that believing that a woman or a man has to take drugs to be the fastest is just as big a problem as the doping itself.

Look at Marite Koch after the race. She isn't exhausted is she? Well that is how it is after your best runs, regardless of doping or not doping, that's how it is. You recover faster because you have run more energy efficienctly.

It's impossible to get this message across on this website, because everyone is so fixated on the druggie dogma.

Hard to believe the records from that era are still on the books.

Jon Orange wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

What is interesting is that athletes had been using steroids at least since the 40s, but there were still people arguing that they were not effective and athletes were mainly benefiting from a placebo effect until the 80s. That sounds familiar.

Of course the drugs were much better in the 80s weren't they Mr Oblivious?

That's why no roided women since then have run as fast isn't it?

You're the expert, you tell us?

It's volume they got away with back then. Testing sucked and those Eastern Bloc athletes hid out until they tested clean.

Jon Orange wrote:

regardless of doping or not doping, that's how it is. .

And you do that faster on drugs.

Just don't believe it wrote:

Hard to believe the records from that era are still on the books.

Yeah it is strange that no one has beaten them yet.

i wonder how quick koch would have been without the steroids? and kratochvilova......

i agree with you,totally,but all of todays top sprinters still take drugs.perhaps different kinds of drugs,and probably not as much testosterone,but theyre still on the gear.

Jon Orange wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

What is interesting is that athletes had been using steroids at least since the 40s, but there were still people arguing that they were not effective and athletes were mainly benefiting from a placebo effect until the 80s. That sounds familiar.

Of course the drugs were much better in the 80s weren't they Mr Oblivious?

That's why no roided women since then have run as fast isn't it?

You're the expert, you tell us?

When and how did you discover that steroids don't work, Jon?

J.R. wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

She actually didn't do a whole lot of resistance training, in fact, most female athletes didn't do a lot resistance training back then.

I've seen videos of Kratochvilova doing considerable amounts of running related types of resistance training, similar to what sprinters would do, but with home made types of materials, and much more arduous.

It is not surprising to me at all that she developed the build and strength that she had.

People like you who post nonsensical garbage on the internet have no clue what you're talking about.

I recall her doing resistance type training dragging

heavy weights

A heavy training load is required on top of the steroids

as your jaw dropped, something else rose and you got a very strange feeling down below the same way that you do now when you see Caitlin Jenner.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Jon Orange wrote:

Of course the drugs were much better in the 80s weren't they Mr Oblivious?

That's why no roided women since then have run as fast isn't it?

You're the expert, you tell us?

When and how did you discover that steroids don't work, Jon?

When I talked to people who took them and realised how crazy they were.

Don't you know that taking synthetic testosterone reduces natural testosterone production?

And don't try and preach to me about recovery. Better recovery comes from better fitness, better efficiency. No drug improves efficiency. But you don't even recognise what that means do you Mr Oblivious?

jarmila was super fit,and extremely strong.she would have been a great talent,even without steroids,but less muscular,less masculine,and not as fast.Its a pity about the soviet bloc boycott,but had she showed up to the 1984 olympics i dont believe she'd have won gold.She didnt seem to be quite the same athlete the following year,not as fast,not as dominant,and a little less muscular.

Why wouldn't she have been as fast without steroids?

Why do you think 47 seconds is undoable without drugs? Can't you see how childishly inept that arguement is?

People really have to grow up and stop buying this druggie BS. It's holding the sport back and has nothing to do with real science.

Jon Orange wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

When and how did you discover that steroids don't work, Jon?

When I talked to people who took them and realised how crazy they were.

Don't you know that taking synthetic testosterone reduces natural testosterone production?

And don't try and preach to me about recovery. Better recovery comes from better fitness, better efficiency. No drug improves efficiency. But you don't even recognise what that means do you Mr Oblivious?

Crazy fast too, right? Or at least faster than they were without.

Who cares if synthetic T reduces natural levels. Just take more. Duh.

Many drugs improve efficiency.

Jon Orange wrote:

Why wouldn't she have been as fast without steroids?

Why do you think 47 seconds is undoable without drugs? Can't you see how childishly inept that arguement is?

People really have to grow up and stop buying this druggie BS. It's holding the sport back and has nothing to do with real science.

Because steroids made her faster.....

It sure seems like 47 is not doable since no clean woman has done it.

You're welcome to coach some girl to do it though.

Brilliant plan man. Just take more and more drugs. Wow who woulda thougt of that?

No drug improves efficiency. You don't even understand the concept.