Why isn't Jager in this conversation? He might not have the closing speed of a Centro, but he would definitely, in my opinion, have the better chance.
Why isn't Jager in this conversation? He might not have the closing speed of a Centro, but he would definitely, in my opinion, have the better chance.
Why would anyone think that the 7th fastest two miler in HS history could ever be ready to run a 5000 just nine years later? Especially with such terrible coaching?
And such terrible genetics?
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hold the phone wrote:I think you're right that 5000m runners tend to win 5000m races, regardless of how the race plays out. But there are certainly some notable examples of 1500 runners moving up and beating all comers, like Venuste Niyongabo and HIcham El Guerrouj.
Said Aoutia did pretty well in the 5k despite only being a bronze medalist in the 1500m the year before. He also did ok in fast races. Ovett did fine during his prime when running 5ks.
Until Centro runs a half dozen top level 5ks we have no clue of what camp he will fall into. My guess is he is a 13:05-13:10 runner but he could just as easily be a 12:55 guy.
Aouita was the world record holder in the 5000.
El G ran 12:50, which is a pretty good 5000 time.
Niyongabo is a good example of a 1500m guy moving up and winning but he benefited from Geb not being in the race and the 96 race was won in 13:07, which is not a jog and kick.
Plus he had a faster 5000 PR (13:03) than the Silver medalist Bitok at the time.
Lagat winning the 2007 WC in 13:45 over Kipchoge is maybe the best example off a 1500m runner taking advantage of a slow 5000.
But he still got his 5000 PR down to 12:53, which ain't bad.
Centro needs to have well below 13 flat ability for his 1500m speed to come in handy in a 5000.
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And such terrible genetics?
You assume dad's genetics take precedence over mom's. His mom ran 800m, so good speed over shorter distance is more likely than which his 1:44 800m PR proves.
...oh, and Jr. is 4-inches shorter than Sr. So, mom's genetics are more dominant.
I don't Centro can even out kick the best guys in the US in a 13:50 race, let alone the world.
America's best hope for gold? Are you serious. You think Centro can outkick Farah...
IMO, Rupp, True, Hill, Jäger, and Bumbalough are all more likely to medal in the 5000 at this point. Although the odds of any of them medaling is close to 0. Don't sleep on Lagat.
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America's best hope for gold? Are you serious. You think Centro can outkick Farah...
He didn't say Gold.
He said medal.
Tropicana wrote:
IMO, Rupp, True, Hill, Jäger, and Bumbalough are all more likely to medal in the 5000 at this point. Although the odds of any of them medaling is close to 0. Don't sleep on Lagat.
Rupp will focus on the 10k, and only run that at the Olympics. His chances are better if a singular focus.
The team will likely come from True, Hill, Jäger (if he decides to run it), and Bumbalough. Lagat is an outlier at 5k--the only distance he should try to make the Olympic team.
No, he said gold also. At the end of the post it says in a 13:50 race would Centre be America's best hope for gold. Nobody has a hope of gold in a 13:50 race, Farah wins every time.
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...oh, and Jr. is 4-inches shorter than Sr. So, mom's genetics are more dominant.
That's laughably stupid.
You could also say he is a male, much like his father, therefore his father's genetics are more dominant. Both statements are equally wrong.
Mother's gene's usually dominate. After all the mother carries the child for nine months. The dad is a one time contributor.
So, how do Centro Sr's genes dominate in a son who is shorter, and darker skinned? Shorter and darker, and faster at shorter distance. What is common is, Beverly Bannister--his mom because you probably don't know her name.
Lagat ran 51.9 at the end of a 12:58 race... Slightly more impressive than 52.6 in a 14:00 min race.
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No, he said gold also. At the end of the post it says in a 13:50 race would Centre be America's best hope for gold. Nobody has a hope of gold in a 13:50 race, Farah wins every time.
That is probably true barring injury, but Farah cannot be America's best hope for gold, can he?
You just can't compare those races. They were going at 15minute pace for half the race. I'm pretty sure that it equates to their marathon pace (at least Farah's).
I don't quite remember the Hicham/Lagat race right now, but I'm going out on a limb and say that they we're slightly faster.
The sub 1:50 last 800m didn't really surprised me in the least bit, not from a 3:28.8 guy with a 4km running start with drafting.
Remember that kicking is more related to actual pace rather than distance itself. (try to run a 1:42 800m with a sub 51 second lap)
efn WDC Beltway trolls can suck on it
Anyone else notice that on instagram Mo has a # called 'Moknows'. What exactly is it that he knows? Could it be how to dope like a pro?
Just a thought. A bit like when Michael Jackson sung the song 'Bad'. Well nobody at that time knew just how bad he really was!
Oh the irony.
I think he could make the team for the 5000 later on and even be the best in the US, but not yet. He has run 13:20, which was in May of 2014. I feel like he could probably hit close to 13:10 or so, but I would give him a few more years of higher mileage training before predicting him to be America's top 5k guy. I think he still has more potential over the 1500 and I don't doubt that he could still crack 3:30. However if he's in a crazy slow 5k I bet he could certainly take some scalps on the last lap.