jackass wrote:
christian is not on drugs you d**k! i know as i had dinner with him and his girlfriend in the tavern on the green- nyc and all he had was turkey and a warm apple drink!!
Without passing judgment one way or the other on Christian, I hardly think anyone on drugs would pull them out at dinner with another runner in a public restaurant, now would they?
I 2nd it!
Hesch doesn't need to dope to improve... he needs to stop taking steroids and drop 15 pounds... and then drop another 5 pounds in clothing weight...
Those pictures are proof. No one that big could could move that fast without the aid of EPO.
thewinnertakesitall wrote:
Word is that some people think that every post on this site is serious.
Word is that it's best to answer joke posts in kind. Keeps the joke going. And if it's not a joke post, all the better.
I'm hoping this thread was a joke, but I am going to answer it seriously anyway.
I train with Christian almost every day. I see the workouts he does, the food he eats (lots), the people he hangs out with....I see the monsterous $400 checks he brings home after driving 500 miles round trip to run a Jamba Juice race in San Fran etc....
Christian doesn't even have enough money to fix the crushed fender on his Toyota that a truck hit more than a year ago. EPO is expensive guys, real expensive. More expensive than a fender for a Toyota, more expensive than weeks worth of his road-whoring winnings. Its absolutely ridiculous to think he'd spend thousands of dollars that he doesn't have on something he doesn't need. Christian is the quintissential starving artist. He drives around the state, winning a few bucks here and there to support himself. He survives off of talent and desire and love of the sport. He has family in Albuquerque, and doesn't associate with Eddy.
He ran 18:30something last year on the central park course and ran 18:28 this year. Not a big improvement guys. He ran 3:40 several years ago for 1500m, his second year running the distance (talent). He's run 13:58 (not in trainers) for 5000m. He used to be a national caliber triathlete as a junior. My point is that he is an exceptionally talent white boy who is trying to make a few bucks and have a good time in this sport. He's got more ability and character than most of us will ever have.
Besides, look at the guy. If he's using any drugs it probably should be Zantrex or something along those lines. I think Christian losing 20lbs would do more for him than EPO, steroids, bat guano, asian hornet juice, and dingleberries combined.
If any of you, John Molvar included, care to further discuss this, please email me. Nothing bothers me more than to see a good friend and genuine asset to the running community needlessly slandered on a public message board.
-Pat Gurin
Grevious Angel wrote:
panache is Kevin Beck (kemibe). His style is unique.
Bingo... I knew I "heard" that voice somewhere!
Regarding Hesch, the man is clearly talented. As long as 2 or 3 years ago, he was running somewhere near 3:40 and always has raced well on the roads. It's good news that Christian is staying motivated and healthy this year. He has 13:30 potential, imho.
Pat,
Sort of piling onto your post; I don't know Christian so I can't say with any authority that I think he's clean or dirty. He seems like a pretty decent sort when he posts here, but that means nothing. But it does bother me when someone writes "there are rumors" that someone is doping. That also means nothing. There are rumors that the sewers of New York City are filled with alligators.
As you point out, an 18:28 four mile is not much faster than he ran last year. If he's bankrupting himself for that sort of improvement, good luck. The fact is that 18:28 for four miles from a guy with 1500/5000 bests of 3:40/13:58 is no big deal. It's consistent with his other times. It's sad to think that our expectations have fallen so low that an 18:28 four mile can generate doping suspicions.
But even more to the point, I'd like people who pass along these sorts of rumors to consider the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation they're creating for our better runners. If these guys lose to Africans they're criticized for not training hard enough or for not being aggressive enough in races. But if they beat some Africans they get accused of doping.
Nice race, Christian. Hope you can afford some body work for the truck soon.
Sorry, I mean body work for the Toyota.
I saw Hesch running with Deeja Youngquist. Does that mean she's dirty too? Oh, wait...
Wejo, this is absolutely making my stomach sick *pieeeieuuukkkkeee* I can't read this anymore *pieeeukkeee* this thread is the worst *pieekeuee* I've ever read. Please can we move on with our lives and let Mr. Hesch run well?
WTF?????
I dind't say a bad thing about anyone (Bush included), defended Mr. Hesch's honor, and still my post was deleted.
You guys really need to post some sort of formal editorial guidelines for what is acceptable content and what is not. This is getting out of control.
jackass wrote:
what a load of crap!!! christian is not on drugs you d**k! i know as i had dinner with him and his girlfriend in the tavern on the green- nyc and all he had was turkey and a warm apple drink!! so before starting some more shit lies think about it and return to the rock you crawled out of.
also next time put your name and we can have a more detailed chat with my fist- best wishes james thie
This is pretty funny. What are you implying here? That someone who uses drugs would take them at dinner? Or be required to take them at dinner? Or that if you eat turkey you are required to not take drugs?
I don't think this douche was right to say this garbage, and I have no idea about Mr. Hesch as I don't know him, but your repsonse was even funnier.
thewinnertakesitall wrote:
Hesch doesn't need to dope to improve... he needs to stop taking steroids and drop 15 pounds... and then drop another 5 pounds in clothing weight...
http://www.mensracing.com/photos/usaoutdoor03/usout208.jpghttp://www.mensracing.com/photos/usaoutdoor03/usout217.jpg
Getting the f**k out of lane 3 might help a bit too.
;-)
hahahaha!!! Yeah why is he in lane 3? Christian, it's really time for you to bite the bullet and get some real shorts. I mean its funny that you wear them, but after awhile the joke gets old. All you guys are so mean about his weight though!!! Maybe that's why he won't wear the shorter shorts. If you a-holes would stop making fun of his weight, then maybe he'd feel better about his body.
I think he wore em in one race at Stanford....but the legend of the board shorts grows and grows!
Seriously? *pieeeieuuukkkkeee*? Is that a real word?
Moody wrote:
Wejo, this is absolutely making my stomach sick *pieeeieuuukkkkeee* I can't read this anymore *pieeeukkeee* this thread is the worst *pieekeuee* I've ever read. Please can we move on with our lives and let Mr. Hesch run well?
No. It's an astericked uyluitie porpalled to make you believery it's an actualized word.
your way with made up words is intoxicating
Moody wrote:
No. It's an astericked uyluitie porpalled to make you believery it's an actualized word.
i can attest that he is clean- shaven that is, and i like it like that down there. i can also attest that his performance is rather "enhanced" if you catch my drift. he rivals khadevis robinson, though i suppose he wouldn't be able to match jason rexing, but according to you guys, nobody can.
i don't know if he's been taking those pills that ron jeremy sells, but whatever it is, it did the trick for me. too bad he has a girlfriend now, i'm sure she enjoys the fruits of his "performance enhancement."
a girl who had some.
