She was at an XC race in the Bronx this weekend - seems for sure she is relocating to home.
LetsRun.com update: Cain's agent, Ricky Simms has informed us that Mary Cain has indeed left the University of Portland. She's returned home to NY, is attending Fordham and will train as part of the NOP remotely as she did in HS.
Details here:
She smiles again.
Freshman year, being away from home, high school boyfriend/girlfriend.
It's difficult for many of today's yutes, as they have not known a world without so many comforts and toys. And helicopter service industry concierge coddled parenting.
Or, it's just hard moving that far away from home at that age. But certainly most kids are not as tough as those of earlier generations, when complaining was not even an option. You just did as your teachers or coaches told. Period.
Also, there's more money in society, and middle class and up kids have more options.
The problem with this board is people comment with such a short and prejudiced viewpoint.
Watch it all play out and enjoy the stories, the majority of you are usually wrong, most of the time.
This boards opinions don't truly amount to a hill of beans.
She probably just didn't want to run with Salazar screeching "get your elbow in!" every minute, putting her in a riding harness to get her shoulders back, etc. etc. Now she can get back to just running without constantly having stress about her form and having to keep thinking about it instead of just relaxing into the run.
Henwood Maybe wrote:
John Henwood, maybe. Not AlSal
I'm guessing Henwood is the reason why she's running workouts at RBSP at all. I'm also guessing that at some point AlSal will come east to check up on Ms Cain; hence, my comment about the possibility of seeing AlSal at Riverbank. [just typing that makes me laugh. There are many great things about Riverbank, but it's the kind of place where anything can happen and often does. Not exactly what I think of as AlSal's ideal workout venue.]
Anyway, the next NYRR 5k XC race is on Sun Nov 15. When Mary Cain ran that race in 2012, AlSal was there. Would be very amusing [and not entirely shocking] if Ms Cain runs it and AlSal is there to observe.
sleazazar wrote:
College Drop Out wrote:Why she isn't with Salazar is weird.
Doesn't seem weird to me that she realized he is an awful person and didn't want to be near him.
Seconded. She's made at least one good choice.
Wishing her good luck and great speed.
pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:
sleazazar wrote:Doesn't seem weird to me that she realized he is an awful person and didn't want to be near him.
Seconded. She's made at least one good choice.
Wishing her good luck and great speed.
Cain is a positive-energy type of person. Salazar is the polar-opposite.
She is back to being a local kid with great potential with a solid history of youthful success behind her
Today's Kidss wrote:
Or, it's just hard moving that far away from home at that age. But certainly most kids are not as tough as those of earlier generations, when complaining was not even an option.
It took me two and a half years of college back in the '80's to figure out that my sleep and diet had a huge impact on my running. Beer and pizza just wasn't conducive to fast times. In fact, one of my great regrets in life is that I didn't eat more veggies as a Frosh or a Soph.
Ms. Cain does not have that option.
She is a paid professional.
Running comes first.
If living closer to home/mom/boyfriend/whatever means that she runs faster, then it is her job to live closer to home.
Today's Kidss wrote:
Freshman year, being away from home, high school boyfriend/girlfriend.
It's difficult for many of today's yutes, as they have not known a world without so many comforts and toys. And helicopter service industry concierge coddled parenting.
Or, it's just hard moving that far away from home at that age. But certainly most kids are not as tough as those of earlier generations, when complaining was not even an option. You just did as your teachers or coaches told. Period.
Also, there's more money in society, and middle class and up kids have more options.
The problem with this board is people comment with such a short and prejudiced viewpoint.
Watch it all play out and enjoy the stories, the majority of you are usually wrong, most of the time.
This boards opinions don't truly amount to a hill of beans.
I loved this post.
Last year I was talking to a woman's college coach friend of mine and asked him if there was hope for Cain. He felt that it was very common for women to stagnate a little as seniors in HS, struggle as freshman but then get it going again. So hopefully Cain can do this.
One of the things that's tough for all runners at some point in their careers is to realize that for everyone, at some point the rapid gains stop coming. You're in 9th grade, 10th grade, and knocking off 10 seconds per year in the mile. That doesn't continue forever. The start of the plateaus is hard for everyone. For it to happen during her freshman year when she's away from home would be especially tough.
It's logical to think "Oh i'm not happy away from home - that's the cause - that might have nothing to do with it."
When I was coaching at Cornell, Sage Canaday had an awful freshman year for me. He was anemic, ran horrible and didn't enjoy his academic program. He had made up his mind to transfer. I give his father a ton of credit for telling his son, "You can transfer, but not until you go back for the fall semester. You aren't quitting out on an Ivy League school after freshman year."
That fall he excelled and was team MVP and soon the only collegian in the Olympic Marathon Trials.
So there's something to be said for perseverence. I'm not saying Cain should stay Portland. Far from it. Her situation is a lot different. It's not like she's gaining anything academically from attending UP over Fordham. The only reason to be out West is the running and she can run anywhere.
rojo wrote:
He was anemic, ran horrible and didn't enjoy his academic program.
He ran horrib-LY
Following in the footsteps of that great Fordham alum: Donald Trump. Too early to think about a Cain 2036 presidential bid?
Good to hear! Wish her the best!
long-lost and forgotten adverb wrote:
rojo wrote:He was anemic, ran horrible and didn't enjoy his academic program.
He ran horrib-LY
...he ran horribly, and ...
Rojo,
Thank you for the insight on Canady, sometimes it takes a while.
And yes, she is smiling again, thats great.
She also took the time to pose for a picture with what appears to be the winner and runner-up of the 'ugliest man in the park' contest.
She's a pip that Mary, she'll be back ...
Egun wrote:
Rojo,
Thank you for the insight on Canady, sometimes it takes a while.
And yes, she is smiling again, thats great.
She also took the time to pose for a picture with what appears to be the winner and runner-up of the 'ugliest man in the park' contest.
She's a pip that Mary, she'll be back ...
assume she came third in 'ugliest man in the park'
guy with finger up obviously a proud first
i miss the days when i could be more of an idiot on lets run
you are oppressioning the true idiot in me
Today's Kidss wrote:
It's difficult for many of today's yutes, as they have not known a world without so many comforts and toys.
Did you just say yute?