Looking for an academically strong college that can accommodate sub-19 5K boys in program

this place is full of jerks wrote:

lolwut wrote:

Uhh... no... a 30 minute 8k is not comparable to a 19 minute 5k... a 30 minute 8k is at a SIGNIFICANTLY faster pace than the 19 minute 5k... imbecile.

Maybe you're right, but maybe not.

Sub 19 in high school, say 18:30 - 45 can easily do sub 30 by the time they are a year in college. It's called development, dumb ass.

That is not what was said... at all.... Look at the first quote, then look at the second quote, then look at your idiotic response, then look back the second post, back at your response, back at the first, back to your response. Now I'm on a horse.

What does he want to study? There are a lot of prestigious schools in the northeast with D3 programs.

French Dawg wrote:

lolwut wrote:

Uhh... no... a 30 minute 8k is not comparable to a 19 minute 5k... a 30 minute 8k is at a SIGNIFICANTLY faster pace than the 19 minute 5k... imbecile.

Uhh...no...a 30 minute 8k is 6:00 mile pace while a 19 minute 5k is at about 6:07. I wouldn't call that a SIGNIFICANTLY faster pace... imbecile.

Although the 8k is definitely the superior statistic.

Excuse me, moran, but 6:00 pace IS significantly faster than 6:07 pace... 7 seconds slower per mile is 35 seconds over an 8k... that's a big effing deal

Time for some fact checking.

1. Is a 19:00 5k the same as a 30:00 8k? NO

2. Is a 30+ minute 8k SIGNIFICANTLY faster PACE than a sub-19 5k? NO

30:10 8k = 3:46.3/km; 18:50 5k = 3:46.0/km

3. Are there any teams that don't take sub-19 runners? NO

I'm pretty sure they changed the SATs now and you may want to revise the score you're saying these kids would get. When you say 1400, do you really mean something like 2000?

I'd say go D3. The only caveat there is many of those are geared towards just sciences or just arts, so if you want them all to stay together it might be tricky if they have different interests for their majors.

Shoebacca wrote:

I'm pretty sure they changed the SATs now and you may want to revise the score you're saying these kids would get. When you say 1400, do you really mean something like 2000?

Nobody actually uses the writing score, so it's still out of 1600.

a Dvck wrote:

Time for some fact checking.

1. Is a 19:00 5k the same as a 30:00 8k? NO

2. Is a 30+ minute 8k SIGNIFICANTLY faster PACE than a sub-19 5k? NO

30:10 8k = 3:46.3/km; 18:50 5k = 3:46.0/km

3. Are there any teams that don't take sub-19 runners? NO

Yes, let's just skew the numbers 10 seconds in each direction to enhance your argument. Brilliant mind at work, people.

Eph wrote:

Williams is your place. Fantastic academics and a huge team. The coach there lets anyone walk on and is equally invested in developing 30 minute 8k guys as he is in 30 minute 10k guys. His focus is on loving the sport. Williamstown has tons of beautiful trails to run around when it's not freezing cold. The team culture is very welcoming to all abilities an has people who have never run before joining every year.

A ton of other NESCAC schools have the same deal, I'm just a williams alum. Amherst and middlebury cut, but Tufts, bates, bowdoin, conn college, haverford, and Carlton all have big teams and similar programs. Also look at caltech and emory.

Unless 1400+ means 1500+, then Williams is probably out of reach for a non-legacy, non-minority, non-recruited athlete.

But in general, I agree. There are a lot of great DIII programs that don't cut. Haverford has long had a really inclusive culture on their teams. It's the kind of place where school record holders cheer their heads off for the slowest people on the team. Carleton and Amherst have great cultures (and great coaches) as well.

But no matter where you are, there's nothing wrong with being the slowest guy on the team. It mostly depends on your own attitude. Some guys might find it wears on them after a while. Others are happy to just roll with it.