what happened?
Shat the bed.
In the 1500, you have one move and you have to make it count. That thing that he did from 650m - 450m out was his move, it wasn't decisive, didn't do anything except force him to run the curve in lane 2, and he had no shots left when the big guns came out. He should have tried to blow it open decisively from 700m or wait till 300m to go.
-AW
JAKIR wrote:
(some boring lower-case stuff)
I know you "invented" the JAKIR character but you need to understand that JAKIR is REAL. The spirit of JAKIR possessed you and caused you to do his bidding, like a prophet, so that he might speak to us about the lion hearted Makloufi.
But you have turned your back on JAKIR in what should be his finest hour. How can JAKIR comment on the epic Kiprop-Makh duel when neither JAKIR nor JAK-lower-case-ell-R will speak for him?
In the name of JAKIR I beseech you to unbind his spirit by posting the JAKIR password and reverting to your old registered name, if any.
FREE JAKIR!
(!!!)
Bad Wigins wrote:
JAKIR wrote:(some boring lower-case stuff)
I know you "invented" the JAKIR character but you need to understand that JAKIR is REAL. The spirit of JAKIR possessed you and caused you to do his bidding, like a prophet, so that he might speak to us about the lion hearted Makloufi.
But you have turned your back on JAKIR in what should be his finest hour. How can JAKIR comment on the epic Kiprop-Makh duel when neither JAKIR nor JAK-lower-case-ell-R will speak for him?
In the name of JAKIR I beseech you to unbind his spirit by posting the JAKIR password and reverting to your old registered name, if any.
FREE JAKIR!
(!!!)
Ha I'm totally stoked that you love JAKIR but seriously it became a total hassle. It was really getting me down to have to think up all of that material and then get it deleted as soon as I posted it. I'm sorry but it was a pain in the ass. You're my favorite poster on here. Well, you and Canova I'd say. Alien Baby put a hurting on the proud lion today, that's for sure.
it will get better wrote:
Not much sauce while this investigation's going on.
Stupid comment!
All you have to do is look at the start lists for the last few 1500 finals and you'll see why. Either because of injury or choking in heats, superstars were always left out. This year everyone showed up and Centro ended up just right about where he should be.
Centro's been good enough before to medal in this race. He finished his 3:36 Bronze in 3:36 & prob had the fastest last 100m.
About 3-4 weeks ago, he attributed a 3:39 to overraced fatigue. If he was at that fine line then, he may've just been more fatigued than usual at the WC & past his season's peak, following some heavy rounds.
ttc wrote:
...finished his 3:36 Bronze in 3:36...
...in :51...
ttc wrote:
Centro is capable of reacting off a change of pace in the last 400m. Watch his :51 finish (below) in his 2011 Bronze race, while finishing fastest. Off form a little in the 2015 race- but doesn't mean he can't.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=78867EaVpKk
He WAS capable of finishing in 51, but he's not now. As more time passes since his college days, the less sharp he becomes.
This is a common problem. Many athletes NEED the frequent racing they get in college to remain sharp. Their bodies miss the week-in, week-out competition. Andrew Wheating is another example. Neither will be as sharp as they oncer were, at least as long as they compete as infrequently as they do. The probably both benefited from college x-country, too.
Come to think of it, even Coe ran x-country before his breakout '79 season.
Bad Wigins wrote:
JAKIR wrote:(some boring lower-case stuff)
I know you "invented" the JAKIR character but you need to understand that JAKIR is REAL. The spirit of JAKIR possessed you and caused you to do his bidding, like a prophet, so that he might speak to us about the lion hearted Makloufi.
But you have turned your back on JAKIR in what should be his finest hour. How can JAKIR comment on the epic Kiprop-Makh duel when neither JAKIR nor JAK-lower-case-ell-R will speak for him?
In the name of JAKIR I beseech you to unbind his spirit by posting the JAKIR password and reverting to your old registered name, if any.
FREE JAKIR!
(!!!)
I like this!
Let me just say, I appreciate that Centro is a good runner, the best the US has had in forever, but, damn it, I just can't seem to get myself to like the guy. So I do tend to root for other non-Americans over him.
There, I said it!
Fastnbulbous wrote:
He probably realizes he needs to intensify his training and basically needs to be in 3:27/8/American record shape to medal.
He probably realizes he needs to intensify his thyroid and testosterone boosting plus asthma meds and basically needs to be at TSH
yawner of a race wrote:
Fastnbulbous wrote:He probably realizes he needs to intensify his training and basically needs to be in 3:27/8/American record shape to medal.
He probably realizes he needs to intensify his thyroid and testosterone boosting plus asthma meds and basically needs to be at TSH
...TSH less than 0.5
GoldenMiles wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:I know you "invented" the JAKIR character but you need to understand that JAKIR is REAL. The spirit of JAKIR possessed you and caused you to do his bidding, like a prophet, so that he might speak to us about the lion hearted Makloufi.
But you have turned your back on JAKIR in what should be his finest hour. How can JAKIR comment on the epic Kiprop-Makh duel when neither JAKIR nor JAK-lower-case-ell-R will speak for him?
In the name of JAKIR I beseech you to unbind his spirit by posting the JAKIR password and reverting to your old registered name, if any.
FREE JAKIR!
(!!!)
I like this!
Let me just say, I appreciate that Centro is a good runner, the best the US has had in forever, but, damn it, I just can't seem to get myself to like the guy. So I do tend to root for other non-Americans over him.
There, I said it!
I have enjoyed JAKIR's rants and raves and lament that those that run this place think that the posts must be removed. But whatever to that.
Also in agreement with GoldenMiles--esp. this meet, I was kind of rooting for anyone but Centro.
In cynicism though must also admit to wanting Makh Daddy to win.
In the end it was a good-entertaining race.
Wolf Spritzer wrote:
I have enjoyed JAKIR's rants and raves and lament that those that run this place think that the posts must be removed. But whatever to that.
Also in agreement with GoldenMiles--esp. this meet, I was kind of rooting for anyone but Centro.
In cynicism though must also admit to wanting Makh Daddy to win.
In the end it was a good-entertaining race.
Just curious, what is it about him that you dislike and what is it about Makhloufi that you do like?
I know people feel strongly about Centrowitz being cocky and arrogant, but having spent a smallish amount of time with him on at least a dozen occasions, I found him to be very nice, somewhat modest and overall pretty charming.
Don't get me wrong, he is definitely confident and a bit cocky, but I always saw it as the cockiness of world class athlete but maybe I'm biased because I (sort of) know him and really enjoyed spending time with him.
Seymour Butts MD wrote:
Wolf Spritzer wrote:I have enjoyed JAKIR's rants and raves and lament that those that run this place think that the posts must be removed. But whatever to that.
Also in agreement with GoldenMiles--esp. this meet, I was kind of rooting for anyone but Centro.
In cynicism though must also admit to wanting Makh Daddy to win.
In the end it was a good-entertaining race.
Just curious, what is it about him that you dislike and what is it about Makhloufi that you do like?
I know people feel strongly about Centrowitz being cocky and arrogant, but having spent a smallish amount of time with him on at least a dozen occasions, I found him to be very nice, somewhat modest and overall pretty charming.
Don't get me wrong, he is definitely confident and a bit cocky, but I always saw it as the cockiness of world class athlete but maybe I'm biased because I (sort of) know him and really enjoyed spending time with him.
I can tell you what I dislike about Centro. He does seem quite cocky in spite of how he seems in real life. Him talking about running for gold and his yawn post and just his attitude in general. In interviews he comes off prickish. His fans are even more annoying which also makes him difficult to like. Calling him a medal favorite in the race when I think six of the finalists had medaled previously and five had faster PBs is just stupid. The nut riding from the fans is pathetic. Many on here has said that he "works harder than everyone else", which is total bs. All of these athletes are busting their asses to compete. It's that view that Americans somehow lack the talent to do anything and just get by on work ethic alone. It's a crock. He's not the man and he's not a badass. I think that he's an excellent 1500m runner for being American and will probably end up as the best (he probably already is) but I think that he is a level below the best in the world in spite of his previous two medals. The competition now is better than it was and that's just a fact. Maybe he can medal again if the stars align but I think that it's unlikely.
I know that your question wasn't directed at me but I will tell you what I like about Makhloufi anyway. I think that he looks funny and the look on his face alone cracks me up. His antics on the bell lap of the London win were comical. The elbowing and jostling to get to the front and just sprint away from everyone else was comical. The two times of celebrating early were funny too. He's actually very nice and affable in interviews. His antics are comical to me.
I of course assume that they're all on drugs but theres not really anything you can do about that. Why do I assume that? Because I have friends who play in the NBA and NFL and others who used to play MLB and they have either all used drugs or know plenty of people who have. That's the reality about professional sports. It takes (some) guys who would otherwise never cheat and convinces them that they have to cheat in order to compete with everyone else or they'll lose their job. That doesn't mean that there aren't any clean athletes but i don't think for a second that Makhloufi and Centro are clean. If anyone looks objectively at all the smoke around Al Sal then you would know there's fire there. It's just like it was with Lance. Anyway, that's enough.
In Monaco Centro finished 1.65 seconds back from second place in a race that was fast from the gun. Yesterday he finished 1.5 seconds back from second in a race that didn't get going until the final 500m. He didn't fall off so much in that final lap because he was outclassed by everyone else, he simply had a bad race.
JAKIR wrote:
Jimmy McJimson wrote:Nothing to get angry about. Well...This was Centro's first off day in a major champs final. Willis has had one 'on' day in 8 attempts. Iguider didn't make the final 2 years ago. Silas Kiplagat ran decently today, but he's had some stinkers in global championships. Centrowitz needs a lot to go right for him to win a medal. I said he should've been 6th today at best. Because none of that happened. That's not to say it hasn't before...it has, that's why he has medals. He'll have to get luck to win a medal from here on out, but crazier stuff has happened. Certainly a medal isn't the expectation with the 1500 as loaded as it is.
Centro was the one tooting his own horn saying he had "already medaled" and now was "going for gold". So to him a medal was the expectation. He hasn't run in a final this stacked. The 1500m field isn't gonna get any easier and his chances at getting a medal aren't going to get any better. I don't understand why people on this board were calling him a "favorite" to get a medal. He, like Jaeger, Rupp and True, can't react to the change of pace in the last 400m. I can't see him becoming a 3:28 1500m runner and it's not really important if his tactics are great when he's racing a bunch of dudes who are considerably faster than he is not just by their PBs but with their kicks as well.
You'd rather him say he was aiming for another 3rd or 2nd place?
It's a sport, a competition, if you aren't going after 1st place, you're not trying. To admit that your FOCUS is to be in it and give it your all... Then you probably wouldn't have been in the race...or any race, at all.
What have you done with your life?
[quote]JAKIR wrote:
In cynicism though must also admit to wanting Makh Daddy to win.
Him talking about running for gold and his yawn post and just his attitude in general.
Come off it. Centrowitz' "yawn post" was brave and unexpected after the mob rule, Nike-reflux drug smears of his teammates. The guy has guts.
Wrong terminolgy duddette wrote:
JAKIR wrote:Centro was the one tooting his own horn saying he had "already medaled" and now was "going for gold". So to him a medal was the expectation. He hasn't run in a final this stacked. The 1500m field isn't gonna get any easier and his chances at getting a medal aren't going to get any better. I don't understand why people on this board were calling him a "favorite" to get a medal. He, like Jaeger, Rupp and True, can't react to the change of pace in the last 400m. I can't see him becoming a 3:28 1500m runner and it's not really important if his tactics are great when he's racing a bunch of dudes who are considerably faster than he is not just by their PBs but with their kicks as well.
You'd rather him say he was aiming for another 3rd or 2nd place?
It's a sport, a competition, if you aren't going after 1st place, you're not trying. To admit that your FOCUS is to be in it and give it your all... Then you probably wouldn't have been in the race...or any race, at all.
What have you done with your life?
Became a pretty good troll on here for one.
Wrong terminolgy duddette wrote:
It's a sport, a competition, if you aren't going after 1st place, you're not trying. To admit that your FOCUS is to be in it and give it your all... Then you probably wouldn't have been in the race...or any race, at all.
Do you run at all? And do you race?
Because if you do then you must be pretty good to be aiming or first every time.
kjgkuyg wrote:
people are being biased wrote:To add to this, remember that Centro got a bronze at worlds while he was still a COLLEGIAN.
What does that mean?
A "COLLEGIAN"!!! meeeeeeeee
It's only in the US that people make that distinction. In the rest on the world you stop being a Junior and you are not yet a Veteran and so you compete in the same age-group.
How about the guy from Eritrea who won the Marathon? No, he is not a "COLLEGIAN". You know why? Because he doesn't go to college. But he still won it.
And if you are going to say he is not the age he says he is, then tell me, were you there when he was born?
Kiprop won an Olympic gold medal and a WC gold medal during his collegiate years... No wonder he stomps Centro out every race.