Michael Johnsons Atlanta "drug test"

BSing you? it is different, fool. Im freakin telling you its different. I have been through 4 drug tests, and the time taken in each one OUTSIDE of pissing in a cup and writing my name was minimum 5 minutes. And anyone else who has been tested PROPERLY will back me up, its that simple. Hell, I didnt like that it took so long, and it pissed me off at the time, BUT IT DID.

And what makes all this even more funny, is that some guy posted here an account by Jim Spivey, basically backing up the whole original account - and his effort came from Spivey PERSONALLY. So I guess Jim doesnt know whats up either right. My god the levels of ignorance in the USA are ASTOUNDING.

Ok big boy, go and read my post on page one of this thread. It does take as long as 15:00 to 20:00 in order to go through the protocol. been there, done it. it takes the time that it takes and that is definitely not 2:00.

But he got randomly tested once in HS... so BoKnows all there is to know about doping control in athletics (snicker).

BoKnows wrote:

2. The drug test was a random HS drug test for athletes (and don't go BSing to me "oh that's different" - no it isn't, why would the procedure be any different)

well, I think I speak for the majority when I say, if we expect drug tests at the olympic games to be the same as high school, we all should be very afraid.

well, it ain't gonna take 15-20 min usually, especially if you've gotta pee right then. i would say the fastest someone could do it (walk in, sign a few times, piss, get the pass from the guy, and seal the containers up) is four minutes. and that would be if you were going for speed, which i imagine most people really aren't doing.

i'm not exactly certain what "protocol" you're referring to. you have to sign a form in a couple spots and you have to seal the containers up; what else are you doing?

yes, it can and does take that long. if you are at a track meet and there are numerous athletes waiting to be accompanied into a stall in order to produce a sample, no matter whether you are ready or not, you have to wait for one of the "accompaniers" to be available for you. you can't go in alone and produce the sample. then because there are only a certain number of actual tables with testers set up you have to wait for one of those to open up if another athlete is at the table.

Then it's just a matter of picking the bottles, comparing the numbers on the two bottles to make sure they are the same numbers, making sure you have an A and a B bottle. The tester has to look at your sample to ascertain that you not only have enough but that it is not too dilute. Then at the tester's direction you divide the sample into the two bottles. Then they have to be sealed, security taped, numbers checked and recheced and then ph and specific gravity are done.

please believe me none of this can be done in ten minutes. it's not possible. and if you are the athlete there is no way you want to rush through this because making sure the numbers on the bottles are the same numbers on the paperwork and making sure that it is all done with deliberation and care is of utmost importance. you are talking about a drug test that holds the future of your running career and you don't want any screwups in the paperwork. if you are clean you still want to make sure all the serial numbers on the bottles, security tape and bottle packaging are recorded accurately and clearly.

Does the athlete have to stay for the procedure? Johnson had problems with his hammy, so coulden't they have let him go to the trainer, or somewhere to take care of it so he would be ok for the 400? I don't know much about all the testing or anything, but this seems obvious.

blue blazer wrote:

Bitoks account backs this up. He told X that he saw Johnson enter the logistics area, APPEAR to do no more than sign his name under the watch of Gyuli, and walk out.

If Bitok and X were there, why would Bitok have to tell the story to X, who watched it with him?

absolutely the athlete has to stay. not only that once you produce your sample you hold on to that sample. you don't put it down or ever give the container to someone else to hold. also, only you are dividing the sample, putting the bottle tops on, putting the security tape on, turning the sealed bottles upside down to ascertain they are leakproof, putting the A and B bottle into the permanent packaging that gets shipped to the lab. the tester doesn't do any of that. you do it. you are also the one who does the final look over on the paperwork before you sign it. in essence agreeing that proper protocol was followed.

okay, bob, we seem to be talking about two different things; what the original poster claimed is that MJ walked into the secure testing area and walked out in something like a minute. you need to dispense with all that numerous athletes, finding your "buddy" stuff. at major championships, there's a huge lag between events and more than enough testers so there's rarely a back-up. they'd have his piss buddy waiting for him (i think they had a fair idea how many people were going to be coming in after the 200). these guys are not made to wait, there are reporters to feed before their deadlines. the actual process, once you get into the testing area, does not take long. it easily can be done under ten minutes. yes, i've done it. i'm not going to engage in a pissing match regarding how long it takes to do testing. maybe in the last few years things have begun to take longer; however, at the time in question here, one could easily do it in a few minutes.

no worries, mate. not interested in a pissing contest with the likes of anybody. i am only saying an athlete can not give a sample and go through the entire testing process "in a few minutes". i was tested myself, "at the time in question" as you put it and it was never done in a few minutes. besides, there isn't a pee buddy assigned to each athlete. there are pee buddies assigned to a testing area. an athlete has to wait for a pee buddy to be available. often it's no time at all but sometimes you have to wait for one to be available. my work is done here.

I just assumed that MJ was taking something that was not detectable at the time. Why would a test matter?

Everyone seems to be so caught up on testing as if tests ever prove anything.

Quote: Another classic was the guy who dodnt read the story right, and suggested that Bitok was in the lab tampering with his piss - funnily enough the same guy who said it was possible to complete a drug test in under 2 minutes, so go figure with him. You guys need to get your facts right before opening your mouths. Not only finals are subjected to drug testing. I didnt even question why Bitok was taking a test. But he was.

You're the one with no reading comprehension, I was being SARCASTIC when I said that Bitok was tampering with his piss - read my post again, it's obvious. And as for taking a drug test in under two minutes - I'VE TAKEN A GOD DAMN DRUG TEST AND IT TOOK TWO MINUTES. You pee in a bottle (this can take as little as 30 seconds), then the guy separates your pee into two cups and seals the cups, you sign a little from. 20 minutes you say? YOU are the ridiculous one here my friend. For all we know, Michael Johnson had already taken his f***in' test and was going back in there because he forgot to sign a form or left his gold medal in there.

The worst thing of all is that you think I say these things because I think MJ is clean - I wouldn't be surprised if all if he were dirty and to be honest I don't even care, it just pisses me off that you think you have some new "groundbreaking insider story" filled with anonymous "Mr X" and all of this shit. It's a crock.

who gives a flying f*** if he was on drugs, id take some drugs to run 19:32, it was absolutly amazing to watch that race. if we are figuring everyone is on drugs, who cares. he was simply a bad ass that day, drugs or no drugs.

I believe it. I will go as far to say 80% of Olympian athletes are doping whether micro dosing, blood doping and/or anabolic dosing. They just know how to cycle off, or undergo diuretics to evade detection as well as have protection from USADA. I mean Flo Jo for sure was doping and her coach is now coaching Sydney McLaughlin who just broke another Olympic record…it’s such a red flag. And I’m not even going to go in on Jamaica…who WADA condemns for not testing their sprinters. Imagine having the fastest time ever recorded for 100m by both their men and women sprinters from the same country! Bolt and Herah-Thompson. It’s statistically impossible especially how small that country is! It’s not that they have special DNA, is that they have that a great doping system! It’s all an even playing field at the end bc USA, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Germany, Canada China etc are also doping.

Wow, a 19 year old thread revival. Has to be close to a record? Some of the posters here must have been diapers when this post originated.

Some of the same posters probably are in diapers. Or should be.

Now I need to think of a thread older than this to revive.

I think you will find that the 5000 semi-finals (which obviously Bitok ran in) and the mens 200m final were on the same nights (the 1st of August). The 5000m final was actually 2 days later on the 3rd so this element of the recount adds up. The question is were they drug testing after semi-finals back in this era and I do believe that they were. There was no out of competition testing but more emphasis on in-competition which included heats/semis etc. Probably why it was much easier to cheat back in this era because who really dopes during competition days anyway?