Testoboost and Androgel - common among American elite runners

Salazar made sure the document was inexplicit. It doesn't identify Galen Rupp. It says G.R. M.

Salazar is a spy failure.

Remember that Magness was NOT supposed to see the document. There a certainly many more documents, but at this time they have all been shredded, burn, acid bathed, vaporized, stuffed in a huge, or several huge, bait fish, rowed out to sea, and feed to great white sharks. Good luck finding more evidence at this point. Salazar and Farah are world class tell-it-like-it-isn't types. If anyone cracks, it will be Rupp.

Spelling and dates aside, what source do you have to show that Testoboost is illegal besides "on the forum"? I did a google search myself. All I could find was that it was sold freely over the counter by nutritional stores. Propublica itself doesn't say it was illegal. Moreover, Salazar claims he has disclosed it to the USADA whenever applicable.

Testoboost is used to throw the narcs off. Use a naughty drug and then mask it with something you have the okay to use.

ryan foreman wrote:

Spelling and dates aside, what source do you have to show that Testoboost is illegal besides "on the forum"? I did a google search myself. All I could find was that it was sold freely over the counter by nutritional stores. Propublica itself doesn't say it was illegal. Moreover, Salazar claims he has disclosed it to the USADA whenever applicable.

A "dose" of Testoboost contains 20 milligrams of ephedrine, which is prohibited by WADA if found above a certain concentration in urine (10 micrograms per milliliter). It's one of those valuable supplements that probably doesn't actually do a damn thing other than put you at risk for failing a doping-control test, right up there with pecker pills. Various other OTC supplements have been known to do the same thing.

NIKE wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat....this is not a chart of a cheater. You don't list illegal drugs on a chart for one, and if you are cheating and listing it, then where's all the other stuff? You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day. There's a reason Conte wrote in code at Balco and didn't write TM, steroids. Salazar and Rupp are methodical, push the boundaries, but not braindead.

You must also be an idiot to believe Magness about drugs being sent in the mail inside a hollowed out book, and that Rupp took a drug, despite not having a TUE.

I believe Magness for the very fact that he said it was unbelievable himself, like it something out of a movie. Why would Magness make up something that sounds patently ridiculous to present it as evidence?

I know 4 sure wrote:

This is the Testoboost product that NOP was using:

https://www.mdplusstore.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=189

One additional thing to note is that Dr DiPasquale has visited Alberto in his Nike offices in the late 1990s.

Now do a Google search on him. See anything suspicious?

Qoy - rup-cert hard-on

Hahahaha

Yeah right. And axes are murder weapons. Its an effective tool to sneak up on people and silently kill them. And because hand held axes are small you can easily conceal them after the fact. What part of Testoboost being legal do you not understand?

Test-O-Booster wrote:

Testoboost is used to throw the narcs off. Use a naughty drug and then mask it with something you have the okay to use.

ryan foreman wrote:

What part of Testoboost being legal do you not understand?

The bit about you having absolutely no evidence that the chart refers to Testoboost.

KMB wrote:

ryan foreman wrote:

Spelling and dates aside, what source do you have to show that Testoboost is illegal besides "on the forum"? I did a google search myself. All I could find was that it was sold freely over the counter by nutritional stores. Propublica itself doesn't say it was illegal. Moreover, Salazar claims he has disclosed it to the USADA whenever applicable.

A "dose" of Testoboost contains 20 milligrams of ephedrine

Where? I'm not seeing it.

Mrr82 wrote:

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat....this is not a chart of a cheater. You don't list illegal drugs on a chart for one, and if you are cheating and listing it, then where's all the other stuff? You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day. There's a reason Conte wrote in code at Balco and didn't write TM, steroids. Salazar and Rupp are methodical, push the boundaries, but not braindead.

You are going to slip up on something though

Look at Jack Warners transactions $10m linked to him stealing it clear as day all documented - most of it with his name on it not even a cover name!

When would you ever list a supplement on medical record. If it said 'test' or some abbreviation it might be believable but who writes a longer word instead of an abbreviation or the actual product

Then what about the TUEs. The show did bring up evidence of TUEs abuse which is doping. Salazar is just going to BS Farah instead of producing evidence of his innocence when asked by the tv prog or in the papers now.

Then why has he not sued the Gouchers & others for for slander?

Inexplicit wrote:

Remember that Magness was NOT supposed to see the document.

This is incorrect, at least by Magness' account. Salazar told Magness to review the stack of reports containing that document.

pop_pop! wrote:

lol lol lol lol wrote:

There is a slight difference between an 1) OTC supplement (Testoboost) that contains no banned PEDs or substances and 2) Rx testosterone (Androgel) which is obviously a banned PED and for which one cannot receive a TUE.

Haha. Define 'banned.' They don't test for exogenous Test unless the athlete crosses the 4:1 threshold. A little Androgel isn't going to trip the threshold.

Never tested positive!!!!! That stuff works wonders.

And how did Salazar know how to stay under threshold?

Tested it on his son, as stated by Magness.

Disgusting.

Roelants wrote:

it does seem pretty silly to document your cheating so explicitly. If you are cheating you might code it something else in case the document were discovered as it was.

First of all, stop talking about this as if it's a real medical chart. Real medical charts have NAMES on them, but patients' initials.

NOP apologists are clinging to this argument: "Nobody would just write it down if they were cheating! They must be innocent!" I can see how it's inviting to think this way.

Let me dispell that for you: ^^^^^Salazar didn't even see it as cheating.^^^^^

Look at his white paper on exploiting "grey areas" in the rules. He has a strong opinion that medicating to get levels (testosterone, thyroid) into an "ideal" range is fine, if you don't use an explicitly banned drug. So, even if deliberately altering testosterone with an unregulated/unprescribed supplement is illegal by WADA, if there's no banned substance involved Salazar is going there and sleeps like a baby at night.

testoboost is a total scam and waste of ca$h. So if they're taking that, they're not just cheaters, they're stupid.

geetar wrote:

testoboost is a total scam and waste of ca$h. So if they're taking that, they're not just cheaters, they're stupid.

If it is, why do they take it?

Maybe you should call Alberto and notify him of your study findings. I'm sure your research is extensive.

sooo ok wrote:

If it is, why do they take it?

Maybe you should call Alberto and notify him of your study findings. I'm sure your research is extensive.

What proof do you have that they take it, as opposed to Alberto simply bullsh*tting about taking it because its name sounds similar enough to what the chart actually says, which is testosterone?

Man Overboard wrote:

Inexplicit wrote:

Remember that Magness was NOT supposed to see the document.

This is incorrect, at least by Magness' account. Salazar told Magness to review the stack of reports containing that document.

No, you are incorrect. Otherwise Salazar would not have claimed to Magness, "oops, that was testoboost not testosterone." That report was not supposed to be there.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

pop_pop! wrote:

Haha. Define 'banned.' They don't test for exogenous Test unless the athlete crosses the 4:1 threshold. A little Androgel isn't going to trip the threshold.

Never tested positive!!!!! That stuff works wonders.

Exogenous testosterone is banned regardless of dose, and they DO supposedly carbon isotope ratio test some samples that do not exceed the permissible T/E ratio. Obviously, doing this far more often would dramatically improve testing, but it is very expensive.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/08/01/sports/02landis-graphic.html

No one but honest people care that exogenous test is illegal. Nike and USATF certainly don't care.

No one is seriously testing for exogenous Test and the permitted T:E ratio is 4:1. The only logical conclusion for the Al Sals of the world is to go to great lengths to enhance Test production.

I actually agree with you that it's wrong. But the federation is okay with doping. It's right there in the rules.

And you posted a link to a cyclist. Cycling operates under very different anti-doping rules than running. Cycling has a "no needles" ban that is never enforced. Track and Field is okay with needles. Tennis too.