Marathoner. wrote:
European agents and Italian doctors gave epo to a bunch of Africans to make money
Dr. Rosa is one of the shadiest guys on the planet, but no one has ever been able to link him directly to doping any of his athletes.
Gianni may be the other manager you are talking about, but he hardly has a long track record of athletes getting busted.
Neutral Observertard wrote:
Marathoner. wrote:European agents and Italian doctors gave epo to a bunch of Africans to make money
Dr. Rosa is one of the shadiest guys on the planet, but no one has ever been able to link him directly to doping any of his athletes.
Gianni may be the other manager you are talking about, but he hardly has a long track record of athletes getting busted.
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Logical Man wrote:
It's gotta be someone in the marathon. Big money, means more willingness to take risks. I thought Dennis Kimetto looked kinda doped up, take a look at his face.
"Logical Man", your contributions are idiotic. The article says, point blank, that it is a marathoner. Dennis Kimetto barely fits the criteria laid out in the article. He's not "fairly famous", but immensely famous and rich. Nobody has shown yet that he's in the "suspicious camp" that has produced other doping positives (he may be, but I don't know). As others have pointed out, the article uses a photograph of women. Yes, he has won two major marathons in the past year or so, but so have many other Kenyans who fit the criteria better, for this particular case. The only indicator that Kimetto "looked doped up" is that he's freaking fast. Personally, I don't know about you, but I see a lot of freaking fast Kenyans, and I personally do not believe they are all doped up. I also don't believe I can sniff out EPO or HGH or whatever based on someone's face (other than adult sprinters with expanding jaws and braces).
Yes, there is money in the marathon, and yes, people take risks for money. Congratulations on these expert points. But there's less of a reason for a Kimetto to dope than an athlete who has practically nothing; an athlete for whom a $40k payday is a life-changer. Kimetto can make 6 figures just showing up for races.
The question is: Who is facilitating athletes doping? If Matthew Kisorio doped, but wasn't doped by his agent or coach or their doctors, who did it? (or, why is he lying?) Is it some "evil doctor" or "evil influences", as the "good guy agents and coaches and their secret Italian doctors" say? Or, are the good guys involved in some way? In every other sport, from American football to basketball to cycling, the guys in charge deny and deny until the end. Once the walls finally crumble, all the reports indicate that the top guys knew all along. Maybe it's just different in track and field, where elite competitive coaches and agents are more morally sound than comparable men and women in other competitive industries.
An Adidas Boost wearing athlete??? Gonna make those Nike haters upset.
How many doped Kenyans did Rupp and Farrah beat at the last Olympics?
Neutral Observertard wrote:
doo doo wrote:I hope it's Kimetto.
Guy starts running at like 30 years old and fairly quickly runs under 2:03?
Puuuuhhhhhhhh leeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase.
He's either far and away the most talented runner ever by a landslide or the most blatant doper ever, the latter being the more likely.
I don't know if Dennis Kimetto is clean or not, but your theory is that someone (a doctor, agent, etc.) sought out an otherwise unknown thirty-year-old Kenyan with no money (who had never run), and gave him the most potent performance enhancing drugs in the history of the world?
This is the most words I have seen put in someone's mouth on Letsrun ever. And that is saying something.
That wasn't my theory, you made it up.
It is possible that Kimetto is extremely talented, did some racing AND THEN sought out drugs to get to the next level. This could have been your assumption, but instead you jumped to the craziest one possible and made it seem like it was what I said.
And then someone else defended that assumption as though it was my point. What is with you people?
You realize the piece you linked to is from 1998, right? Come on. The very same article says the following about the Kenyan athlete managed by Demadonna: Yesterday, the IAAF was at pains to stress that the punishment was not because of any suggestion of a failed drug test or any refusal to test by the sanctioned athletes.
No famous wrote:
Gianni is just as dirty as Rosa -
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/athletics-two-fined-prizemoney-for-breach-of-drug-rules-1170164.html
You realize the piece you linked to is from 1998, right? Come on. The very same article says the following about the Kenyan athlete managed by Demadonna: Yesterday, the IAAF was at pains to stress that the punishment was not because of any suggestion of a failed drug test or any refusal to test by the sanctioned athletes.
No famous wrote:
Gianni is just as dirty as Rosa -
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/athletics-two-fined-prizemoney-for-breach-of-drug-rules-1170164.html
So 'flomenatrack', basically what you're telling us is, despite your two long verbose posts, you haven't got a friggin clue who it is? What makes me think this?, well, I just wasted my time reading them.
Usually if you dope, you're going to get caught. I recommend not doping so you don't fail your next drug test.
flomenatrack wrote:
"Logical Man", your contributions are idiotic.
Haha, classic. Idiotic for saying "looked kinda doped up, take a look at his face", as idiotic as you saying "only indicator that Kimetto "looked doped up" is that he's freaking fast" or you "can sniff out EPO or HGH" use in adult sprinters because they have "expanding jaws and braces".
Verbose wrote:
So 'flomenatrack', basically what you're telling us is, despite your two long verbose posts, you haven't got a friggin clue who it is? What makes me think this?, well, I just wasted my time reading them.
Sorry Verbose, somehow i just wasn't able to crack the case today while sitting at my laptop during a coffee break. Also, apologies that your simple mind had to read those lengthy, several dozen word entries I put forth. I have no idea why I thought they might be helpful, given they provided clearer information and actual linked sources than were previously apparent on the thread. Since the article out of Kenya was just so darn clear, and the posts on this thread so darn perceptive, I don't have the foggiest idea why this mystery would require more than a couple sentences to unravel.
Let me give you something more palatable: Um, yeah, I think it's Keitany, cuz she like runs fast, and looks doped.
"It's not Kimetto or Kipsang. It's a woman, and I'd say "fairly famous" is a generous description of her. No big name is nabbed this time."
-we've both heard the same rumor as to who the mysterious culprit is, I think.
flomenatrack wrote:
I have no idea why I thought they might be helpful
Nor do we, they weren't.
Not male. Not Boost wearing.
Female.
Kenyan.
Nike.
The funny part is this:
[Meanwhile, AK planned Executive Committee meeting that was due yesterday has been postponed. AK had indicated it would announce the banning of some agents whose athletes have failed dope tests lately.
They had planned on banning some nobodies and whitewash Rosa and his fancy new blood testing machine, but then came another positive and made it a bit awkward. It will of course still happen, but not this week.
No famous wrote:
Gianni is just as dirty as Rosa -
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/athletics-two-fined-prizemoney-for-breach-of-drug-rules-1170164.html
Wrong Millennium.
Josephine Chepkoech is the name another of Rosa's athlete
Another one 1 wrote:
Josephine Chepkoech is the name another of Rosa's athlete
And....?
She's not a marathoner.
Another one 1 wrote:
Josephine Chepkoech is the name another of Rosa's athlete