GREAT LAKES results thread

Brannen is very impressive, but I was at the Big Tens and he is outclassed by at least 3 Wisco runners and Carlson from Minnesota. Obviously, there are at least 10 other runners in the country that should defeat him also. I think that he could finish in the top 15 on a good day in Terra Haute!!! He has great range and is having a very nice cross season.

Didn't appear to be out classed today. In fact Brannen and Jefferson appear to be a class above the Wisconsin guys. Maybe they held back at Big Ten's or the 10K distance was more to their liking.

Yes! I think that the two milers excelled at the 10k distance better than 8k over Bairu, Solinsky and Tegenkamp (who are 5k/10k runners).

It was just a coincidence that Wisconsin's top-five came in the chute in just 5 seconds.

I came to this conclusion because I am retarded. Wait, that is an insult to retarded people. Even non-running retarded people could have read this race (and it's implications) better than you did.

darkness wrote:

Yes! I think that the two milers excelled at the 10k distance better than 8k over Bairu, Solinsky and Tegenkamp (who are 5k/10k runners).

It was just a coincidence that Wisconsin's top-five came in the chute in just 5 seconds.

I came to this conclusion because I am retarded. Wait, that is an insult to retarded people. Even non-running retarded people could have read this race (and it's implications) better than you did.

I didn't read the race results, I attended the meet. I saw first had how impressive Brannen and Jefferson's race was. The Wisconsin boys sure didn't look like they were tacking it easy and they weren't as fresh at the finish. If they run like this at Nationals, Stanford and/or Arkansas could beat them.

Yes the milers excelled at 10k better then the 5k/10k runners. Jefferson ran the race unafraid of the distance. He made a substantial move before 5k and pushed the pace throughout the race. The Wisconsin crew ran conservative the way milers usually run a X-C 10k race.

dude, year after year wisco takes it easy at regionals b/c they know that it means nothing to them. in 2001 they were 4th in the region and 5th in the freaking country! twice (1998 and 1999) matt downin was 4th in the country after finishing 4th or worse at regionals. wisco runs regionals like they are supposed to be run by the good teams: merely a tune-up for the real race in 9 days. congrats to brannen and jefferson for trying to win regionals, no one cares. watch what happens in terre haute on the 22nd.

p.s. i think they ran in a pack given their 5 sec spread. just a thought.

arkansas takes wisco out

Until proven other wise Brannen is faster than Wisconsin guys. You are only as good as your last race and the watch don't lie. If your only going about 90% effort and you get by people that don't usually beat then they still beat you. They got another race this season and then we will know who is faster than who. Great thing about this sport is it always comes down to the very end and if you ain't shit on that day then you ain't shit for a whole another year.

Here's what Nate himself said about Big Ten's:

Senior Captain Nate Brannen

On his fifth-place finish ... "I'm a little disappointed. It's my senior year and I really wanted to come out with the win. Wisconsin made a break right around 3K and had three runners up there. I stayed with them for another 1,000 meters, but then I got stuck between that lead group of two Wisconsin guys and a Minnesota guy -- who were 50 meters ahead of me -- and another pack that was 50 meters behind me. I got stuck in no-man's land and started getting a cramp, and mentally, it wasn't really good."

(from mgoblue.com)

A regional is the same as a preliminary heat. Brannen won the prelims. I also was at the meet and listened to the Wisco guys talking at 8k (I am talking about the guys on the course). They had no intention of chasing.

idealist wrote:

In the men's race, by the time the adviser finished saying "And here's the first Wisconsin runner!", he had to add "And the the last Wisconsin runner!"

I've never been called an adviser before. I kinda like it.

scotth wrote:

idealist wrote:

In the men's race, by the time the adviser finished saying "And here's the first Wisconsin runner!", he had to add "And the the last Wisconsin runner!"

I've never been called an adviser before. I kinda like it.

That's what I get for typing right after a workout. I did think the comment, "Wisconsin just put on a clinic!" was rubbing it in a bit, and I'm a Wisconsin fan.

For the people who are all talking about Brannen "outracing" the Badgers, I won't say it can't happen, but I will say it hasn't occurred yet. The team did as it was instructed (I think). The Badgers I saw after the race were conversing easily pretty darn soon.

All of these theoretical points of conjecture yield nothing>Wisco had a training run and Brennan will be back of them even though he'll be up there.Wisco will defeat Arkansas handily.Youre only as good as your "taper" physiologically 8-9 days before the "big one" and others will learn this

The point is that THEY WERE taking it easy. They ran together so close that they were 4 seconds apart with the 6th runner just 4 seconds back. If you have been around you would know that they do this EVERY YEAR. Arkansas does a similar thing where they don't race the people who cannot likely handle two 10k's in 10 days or handle them poorly.

The top-six for Wisco likely did not have an "easy" time of it running that close to the winner, but they ran under control and didn't respond to what they would have needed to to win the race.

And the milers didn't handle the distance "better", they just didn't have anybody who was in their class (they are both national champions aren't they?) who was actually racing for the win.

No offense to Brannen or Jefferson, they are both excellent, but when the Wisco boys are running to win they have three guys who could win Nationals and three that will be way up there.

To the badger fan that said Scott's "clinic" comment was too much: What would you have called it?

When you place your top-six guys that high up and THAT CLOSE together at a 10k race that is the second deepest in the country this year ... five guys 5 seconds apart. This is just unbelieveable. We are not fazed because we expect it now, since this team has been being built ever since they signed Tegenkamp and Keller 5 years ago. The other guys came later, but they came because they saw that THIS was the school to go to if they wanted to be more than one of 25 9:00 2 milers like at Stanford and wanted to get decent scholarship money. They came because the school is better than Arkansas. They came because most of the kids are from the midwest and they could run for a coach who also ran there.

U of M and Indiana are doing an excellent job, and so are Brannen and Jefferson (as I said earlier), but if you believe that several people are coming through the chute before these guys from Wisco (based on what you saw this weekend) then you have no grasp on the sport.

good performance from canadians.

men's race: 1 3 10 16

women's race: 2 3

scotth wrote:

I've been called an asshole before. I kinda like it.