dfsafsaf wrote:
fred wrote:What are the specific changes?
More 400s and 600s. Seriously.
Yeah, Salazar said Centro asked him why they hadn't done any repeats in the 600m range and that got Salazar to realize they were only doing 400m and shorter or 800m and longer reps. Somehow doing intervals between 401m and 799m will make a big difference. Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.
Centro has more to gain by cleaning up his diet and losing 2% more body fat.
Wheating will get the AR before Centro does if he can stay healthy and finally adjust to training under Rowland. Talent doesn't go away.
CentroFan wrote:
At the NXN Coaches Clinic Salazar was discussing Centro's previous training and how they have changed his current plan. Coach Salazar argued that Centro is strong enough as seen by the 13:20 5K last year but was lacking the 800m speed compared to the other top 1500m guys. They recognized this fault. Thus they researched, analyzed, and changed Centro's training plan to correct for this weakness. Mark my words this will give Centro just the boost needed to arrive at the 1-2-3 spots in every major and lead to a new AR in the 1500m.
http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=128557#ooid=ZuaTg1cjr2WCaZnk1S66mg85eDEk4GFx
I was about to dismiss your post as complete rubbish, and then you said "mark my words". Good enough for me.
his two medals and olympic 4th warrant his place in DL races. he's not overrated at all. 600s at 800 pace are specific training for 800m, and Coe and Cram did that. No one is saying that a 1500m runner should only do 800m training. Kiprop was World Junior XC champion. He can run faster than 13:20 easily.
jjjjj wrote:
his two medals and olympic 4th warrant his place in DL races. he's not overrated at all. 600s at 800 pace are specific training for 800m, and Coe and Cram did that. No one is saying that a 1500m runner should only do 800m training. Kiprop was World Junior XC champion. He can run faster than 13:20 easily.
World [JUNIOR] XC Champs, this means nothing of his ability to run a 13:20 5k, and since he's probably doing more 8/15 training compared to Centro's 15/5k training I wouldn't put it past him
Dewey_Runner wrote:
Wheating will get the AR before Centro does if he can stay healthy and finally adjust to training under Rowland. Talent doesn't go away.
"Webb is BACK baby!"
"Webb is BACK baby!"
"Webb is BACK baby!"
One of Ritz's all-time best accomplishments was a third place at World Junior xc behind Bekele, a race in which Teg was 5th. That's at least three future sub-13 runners in one race (Bekele might have run very fast outdoors even that year-'01). If you win World Junior XC, you are much better than a 13:20 runner in your prime.
Wrong way wrote:
I think they should be focusing on the opposite... improving endurance at 5k. Much much more room to improve than at 800m. El G could run 12:50. Aquita 13:00? Lagat 12:55. Centro got 10th in XC he has good endurance and needs to keep honing it in. perhaps work on tactics that best suite your abilities! Look at Jenny Simpson clearly she is an endurance oriented 1500m specialist just like El G, Lagat, many others.... I believe the endurance oriented specialist are the ones capable of A) Faster times, B) are also more consistent as well.
Anyone recall what Renato mentioned about Silas Kiplagats training? When he first broke on the scene he was capable of 28:00at 10k with on 49" 400m speed 48.8" at best renato said. Silas at one point left Renato to focus more and more on the speed side of the event trying and forgot is endurance training and ran shit.... now as Renato reported earlier this year he is self coached with advise from Renato and is focusing more on his endurance with long fast run etc....
So temped is the Miler to go faster instead of further!
Great post.
I've always said Strength = Speed.
Rupp is about the only guy I know who has gotten faster by working on sprint stuff.
jjjjj wrote:
webb didn't even break 1:46 until shortly before he ran sub 1:44.
That's a good point about Webb.
People call Webb a 1:43 guy.
2007 was the only year he ever ran under 1:46 and his 1:43.84 PR was his only race at all under 1:45.
Take away that one race and it looks like Centro and Webb have the same 800 speed.
NOP Skeptic wrote:
.. because Centro I feel is slightly more aerobially fit that Webb so he would only need that 1:44 (his PR is 1:45), to get 3:29 low
See if I got this right. You are saying Webb's 13:10 and 27:34 make him LESS aerobically fit than Centro?
You have to give the nod to Centro for being the better big race performer, but Webb was more talented and more aerobically fit. He did not live up to lofty expectations in OG or WC, but his race times and many of his wins were spectacular. Head to head in a DL race, 2007 Webb vs 2014,5 Centro, my money would be on Webb.