Due to a new training plan this year, Centrowitz will take down Lagat's 3:29.30 NR

What are the specific changes?

Does he have 21.7 and 46 speed?

Brandon McBride

200 Metres 21.52 +0.2 Chatham-Kent 25 JUN 2011

400 Metres 45.89 Medellín 23 AUG 2013

800 Metres 1:45.35

All that is necessary to set is a new, specialized, training plan created by AlSal. Sure, okay: take the blue pill, or take the red pill.

...set a new *AR is...

Did he address that fact that Webb was 13:10, 3:46.X and 1:43.XX and still couldn't do it???????

AlSal never developed a "special plan" for Webb when Webb ran for him.

hahahahahha disillusioned lame duck Oregon fanboy who thinks Centro can take down an AR.

lemme guess OP you think Centro is clean too. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sounds like a reasonable goal to me. He has to take a little less than 2 seconds off his current PR to break the record and he seemed to make pretty significant strength gains last year.

Just needs to get in the right race

Just because Webb didn't get the 1500 AR doesn't mean Centro can't.

Their 1500m PR's are only half a second apart.

And Webb just didn't progress after that one good year.

I'd like to see Centro go for it and I think he's the one guy that can do it.

Didn't say Centro couldn't do it. I don't believe that you can be a racer and win without being able to run good times.

My point remains that Webb was better at BOTH the 800 and the 5000. So Centro has to either improve at BOTH the 800 and 5000 or develop a secret plan to make his 1500 that much better than his 800 and 5000.

Could it be that AlSal has decided that he can't run the 5000 and MUST bet on the 800, kind of like Coe? Not that Coe ever ran 13:20....

onvowu;sladf*&)% wrote:

Didn't say Centro couldn't do it. I don't believe that you can be a racer and win without being able to run good times.

My point remains that Webb was better at BOTH the 800 and the 5000. So Centro has to either improve at BOTH the 800 and 5000 or develop a secret plan to make his 1500 that much better than his 800 and 5000.

Could it be that AlSal has decided that he can't run the 5000 and MUST bet on the 800, kind of like Coe? Not that Coe ever ran 13:20....

Slightly logical, but not fully logical, plus you have to think this all situational

Like for example, yes, Centro only ran 13:20, but he had just come off of injury and that was his rustbuster for the season... And w/ Webb's 3:46, that's equivalent to a 3:29 low, so yes, Webb was in shape to get or match the record, but it was about getting in the right race while he was still in that 3:46 form...

Also, Centro, training w/ Galen and Mo, does more strength work, so he doesn't run as much 800's, I mean you're talking about a guy who was a better 2 miler than miler in HS and was really good in XC collegiately... He only does 800 to keep his speed in check, but if he trained like a 800, mile runner, he would def be around 1:44 high, I can't see him 1:43, but it doesn't matter, because Centro I feel is slightly more aerobially fit that Webb so he would only need that 1:44 (his PR is 1:45), to get 3:29 low, and since Salazar said at the clinic he was going to do more speedwork next year, I think a 1 sec PR in the 800 is defendinly manageable...

Centro also mentioned moving up the 5k down the road, don't think he will do one next year, but I think by 2017, he can run around 13:05

I don't think Webb maxed his potential at 1500 for starters.

And there was no evidence of 800 speed or 5000 strength when Lagat ran 3:26.

But sure, improving your 800 and 5000 ability should help your 1500 time.

You don't have to post fast 800 and 5000 times, though. Just improve speed and strength.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

He only does 800 to keep his speed in check,

Running 1 or 2 800s does not keep your speed in check. Regularly doing speed work maintains your speed.

stick with eharmony wrote:

hahahahahha disillusioned lame duck Oregon fanboy who thinks Centro can take down an AR.

lemme guess OP you think Centro is clean too. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

First off, yes, I think Centro is clean. If I thought he was dirty then I wouldn't care to argue this point. You have no evidence that he dirty - just especially weak conjecture, which adds to the already pessimistic atmosphere of our sport. Next, Centro is much more patient than Webb, at least all signs indicate this. I think Centro will be "dragged" to a low 3:29 and throughout the season find himself in the mix for the top spots. He's not a Kiprop or Kiplagat, yet...

Cheers!

Klassified wrote:

AlSal never developed a "special plan" for Webb when Webb ran for him.

It's obvious that Webb was impatient. He admitted this fact. What's your point?

This is pretty cool, i have high hopes for centro and believe he has a shot. A lot of good points in excited to see how he does!

onvowu;sladf*&)% wrote:

Didn't say Centro couldn't do it. I don't believe that you can be a racer and win without being able to run good times.

My point remains that Webb was better at BOTH the 800 and the 5000. So Centro has to either improve at BOTH the 800 and 5000 or develop a secret plan to make his 1500 that much better than his 800 and 5000.

Could it be that AlSal has decided that he can't run the 5000 and MUST bet on the 800, kind of like Coe? Not that Coe ever ran 13:20....

Centro ran a 1:46.12 800m six days before his 3:31.09 1500m. His 800m PB is 1:45.86 from the summer of 2013. The argument is that his 800m speed has been neglected. Knowing his raw speed and noting the shift in focus (training plan), it is very reasonable that he can run low to mid 1:44 this year, thus a 1.5s improvement. Assuming his strength stays the same (or slightly stronger), how does this translate for the 1500m? Not sure exactly, but I am confident that it signifies at least a 2s improvement on the 1500m. Thus, a 3:29.00 is very reasonable.

or is centro's form kinda off? He looks really tight to me, like he could loosen up and use less energy. Maybe a form tweak is part of Al Sal's plan.