runner85 wrote:
Not just because of core wrote:I rarely comment, but you are very, very false. His jump was MASSIVE. Go back and look. He went from being the Puskedra of Mottram's group to a 3:28 1500m UK record, AS A 10k SPECIALIST!!!!
He is not a 10k specialist. His jump was huge, but it adds up with changes in training, mentality, resources etc. It was a big breakthrough, but believable.
Haha you're completely taking the micky right? You are either joking or know very little about running.
Uber alles wrote:
Holy moly.
Can Germany be put in charge of anti doping in track field please! First they busted Kenya, then they busted Russia, now they have busted the Brits. Good work.
At least Kenya and Russia should be banned from international competition for about 4 or 5 years.
Totally agree these investigative reporters are doing a fantastic job at what has to be an amazingly difficult task...or an incredibly easy task with bribe money.
I hope the name gets leaked out.
And the truth about $5m bribes for WC's etc.
Humans, as a species, have a subset that is always going to be corrupt.
Unfortunately there is not a fleet of spaceships that could use "tractor-beams" and suck them all off the planet.
Farah did not make that big of a jump. Most of the talent left his events. That has been the biggest factor in his success.[/quote]
First he did make a big jump but not back then, secondly the Kenyans at the marathon are nowhere near as good as Geb and Bekele on the track esp in terms of a kick. He would have more competition but would still be in the medals
I thought the person making the disclosure was annonymous - why can't they name names then? Either put up or shut up
CO was doping, at first you would think sure anyone can change their changing plan at the last moment but I like to bet and wha't the chance that you change your plans 3 times on the exact same days the testers come knocking. Its not her though as it says blood values so would be someone in an endurance event.
If it was Paula they would not have been able to resist blabbing her name or mentioning the marathon at least. Thats the only story with real money. We didn't really have 'big names' on the track back then so can't think who it is
This is an article by the BBC, hence why they have focussed on the three British athletes on the list (including one big name star)
The list supposedly has 150 names from T&F on it.
Are you Americans claiming this is some British systematic doping operation naive enough to think that there are not American athletes on this list too?
runner85 wrote:
Coach Cookie wrote:Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
Jessica Ennis
Don't forget that there are another 149 athletes that also avoided detection.
Scratch that: they did not avoid detection, they avoided action by the governing body.
Are they talking about an athlete who is a big name now, 2014, or someone who was a big name in the period the test was done, 2006 to 08?
If it's the former you can forget about it being Farah; he was not a big name in British athletics then, most people regarded him as someone who had massive potential that was unlikely ever to be fulfilled.
If you are looking for someone who was a big name in 2006-8 the Ohuruogu springs to mind. She has never convincingly explained the three missed tests (better to use the term "avoided tests" surely?)
but all this speculation damages the sport and all those athletes who are not in the named three. Better all round to get the names out into the open and then those named can explain/defend themselves as best they can and everyone else continues their careers free from unwarranted suspicion.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
First he did make a big jump but not back then,
I thought the person making the disclosure was annonymous - why can't they name names then? Either put up or shut up
Mo actually lowered his his 5000m pb from mid/high 13s down to ~13-10 around 2006. Not to accuse him, but he did make a "big jump" during this time.
I agree with you about naming names and I do not understand what is holding them back from simply listing the 150 names on the list.
these suspicious samples are from the time the epo testing improved around 2006 onwards
its no surprise that the authorities weren't interested
the IOC almost neglected to retest the athens samples in 2012
IAAF statement on recent press allegations...
http://www.iaaf.org/news/press-release/iaaf-statement-in-response-to-further-media-a
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Its not her though as it says blood values so would be someone in an endurance event.
Not necessarily, sprinters have been known to take EPO as well.
yup its her wrote:
runner85 wrote:Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
will paula be calling on these people to be jailed this time?
or will she be keeping quiet
oh, she's filthy wrote:
yup its her wrote:Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
Paula Radcliffe
the iaaf says that the passport was not operational in 2006-8 so they weren't able to have a high degree of confidence in its accuracy.
which makes sense actually.
agip wrote:
the iaaf says that the passport was not operational in 2006-8 so they weren't able to have a high degree of confidence in its accuracy.
which makes sense actually.
The IAAF says (well, the head medical staff tweeted) that the standards of testing prior to 2009 are not the same standards as post 2009, and so the data prior to 2009 cannot be added to an athlete's profile.
It is their way of saying there is no way to use it to sanction.
They aren't saying anything about its accuracy.
agip wrote:
the iaaf says that the passport was not operational in 2006-8 so they weren't able to have a high degree of confidence in its accuracy.
which makes sense actually.
an expert who saw the values said they were impossible without dope
Seyta wrote:
Technically the poster you are responding to has a point.
Technically, you can't tell time. Komen was finished so far in advance of Farah being worth a damn that you might was well be saying that Bill Clinton wouldn't have gotten the Democratic nomination in 1992 if JFK hadn't gotten himself shot. El Guerrouj was done after Athens on 2004, so ditto, and it's not like Farah ever focused on that 1500.
Farah did not just up and start stomping people because of a shortage of challengers. While it's true that no sub-26:20 guys have arisen lately, Farah's drop in times from an already quick level, at an unprecedented age for this phenomenon, makes him highly suspect.
Maybe he's not the athlete in question in this thread, since there are so many cheaters. Regardless, every time he falls to the track to kiss it and thank the gods for his success, he's really muttering a paean of thanks to modern pharmacology.
Clerk wrote:
agip wrote:the iaaf says that the passport was not operational in 2006-8 so they weren't able to have a high degree of confidence in its accuracy.
which makes sense actually.
The IAAF says (well, the head medical staff tweeted) that the standards of testing prior to 2009 are not the same standards as post 2009, and so the data prior to 2009 cannot be added to an athlete's profile.
It is their way of saying there is no way to use it to sanction.
They aren't saying anything about its accuracy.
well, sort of they are - they are saying the equipment and test wasn't standardized yet to be used. I think we are splitting hairs here. If you don't like the word 'accuracy' then pick another, but it's the same thing.
IAAF:
1. The Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) was launched by the IAAF only in 2009, when WADA set out a harmonised regulatory framework allowing the use of reliable and comparable values. That was not the case before 2009 (different sample collections conditions, transportations and analytical equipment…).