Sarah Disanza, 15:20 to win BU 5000 over Sisson (15:21)

Sisson took 12 seconds off her outdoor PR. She was flat out shocked that she did not win that race.

Track is fast no doubt, but when you combine the negative splitting with all the running wide to pass lapped runners, there's a lot of room for both of them to run faster in the right outdoor race.

dwightarm wrote:

I didn't realize indoor season started so early. In CA we don't have indoor season so this is just weird. I'm used to cross training then training resuming in January for an April debut.

Early season meets are always usually the 1st two weekend of December in the Northeast, it was 15 degrees this morning where I live in Mass so, yea, time to head inside for awhile.

donner and vixen wrote:

Sisson took 12 seconds off her outdoor PR. She was flat out shocked that she did not win that race.

Track is fast no doubt, but when you combine the negative splitting with all the running wide to pass lapped runners, there's a lot of room for both of them to run faster in the right outdoor race.

I doubt Sisson was shocked. They apparently had an agreement to share pacing, and Sisson was surely aware of Disanza's ability.

I felt the trailing runners showed extremely poor sportsmanship by not moving out when they were getting lapped.

O.K., found her HS PRs: 4:46/10:21, so pretty solid. Nonetheless, this race dropped her 5000 63 seconds from seven months ago, and of course went from 104th to 2nd in XC in one year. What a massive upside.

... What a massive upside.

It will certainly be interesting to see her improvement over the 3,000m, mile and even the 800m in the next few months...

Hope that she doesn't get injured. She looks awfully sharp (too sharp) for early December.

BTW: is she born in 1994 or 1995? If she's born in 1995, that's a US junior record as well...

She obviously didn't take time off after NCAAs. She will take a week now and gear up to run well at nationals in March. Westphal did the same thing. So yes all 3 of them are really sharp but thats because they were just holding their peak over from NCAAs (Sisson from her road racing).

J.R. wrote:

donner and vixen wrote:

Sisson took 12 seconds off her outdoor PR. She was flat out shocked that she did not win that race.

Track is fast no doubt, but when you combine the negative splitting with all the running wide to pass lapped runners, there's a lot of room for both of them to run faster in the right outdoor race.

I doubt Sisson was shocked. They apparently had an agreement to share pacing, and Sisson was surely aware of Disanza's ability.

I felt the trailing runners showed extremely poor sportsmanship by not moving out when they were getting lapped.

Sisson is a 23 year old "super-senior" coming off a number 2 finish to Molly Huddle and a stomping of Kim Conley in an open national championship in a very fast time. She could legitimately think of herself as the number two boss in the whole country right now, not just college. I'm sure she was thinking about breaking D'Agostino's indoor 5k collegiate record, which she did, by seven seconds.

She was not (n-o-t) thinking about smashing the record and still getting beat by a true soph who, while impressive at NCAA, did not win a single significant xc race this season against collegiate competition. Even on the last lap Sisson thought she had it. And then she didn't.

As for the lapped runners, my initial reaction was the same as yours (TRACK!) but ultimately there were so many runners being lapped that you couldn't have individual runners making the decision to move out or not without causing chaos. If there is no ruling coming from the officials, it can't be on the individuals in that situation to be constantly turning around to see who is coming up on them. And the leaders were going so fast that some of the lapped runners were running excellent college times, possibly national qualifying.

.btw. wrote:

Breaks Abby D's American college indoor record for 5000.

abbey d is looking less competitive every month.

maybe she was just the spearhead and many other women her age are going to run 15:15ish.

I hope she can get some good races in soon

Anyone wish to speculate on the top-contenders for the 2016 Oly Trials 1500, 5000, and 10000 teams at this point?

A lapped runner in a race should almost always to remain in lane one and allow the faster runners to pass them on the outside.

Moving out to allow faster runners by is dangerous and runs the risk of impeding them. Whether you move out too late, move back in too soon, don't move out far enough, don't realize there's a second person or pack behind the leader(s) and cut back in before them, etc. The faster runners also have to try and guess where you're going and plan around you when they're trying to race each other. I have seen/experienced all of these at some point by people trying to be "polite" and move out.

AMERICAN COLLEGIATE RECORD.

http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=106647

Did anyone even mention this? Wow.

I see Huddle has a 15:14 this season: Where did she do it?

Didn't Jenny Barrenger (later to be Simpson) run 15:01 or so for 5k at UWashington? Was that unlisted because it was done on a over-sized track?

Huddle ran her 15:13 at the Boston University Last Chance Meet on March 2nd. Believe it was her opener earlier this year before her half marathon.

smell the coffee, wrote:

Didn't Jenny Barrenger (later to be Simpson) run 15:01 or so for 5k at UWashington? Was that unlisted because it was done on a over-sized track?

Yeeup. No way she could have run under 15:20 at BU's banked 200m

/sarcasm

I don't know why it is surprising. This is the perfect time to run a fast time on the track, isn't it? After a beautiful season of XC training, you extend their season two weeks and transfer it onto a banked track. I am surprised more people don't do this if their main goal is to qualify. It will be interesting how the rest of the season is treated, though. Like if you're the coach do you lay off workouts for a while and get them back on the track later for the conference and national meet while intermittently sharpening them through a sparse schedule of shorter races?

Bbgsjbhedjhb:/)?$ wrote:

BTW: is she born in 1994 or 1995? If she's born in 1995, that's a US junior record as well...

Ok, she was born in August 1995. She therefore broke the in/out US junior record by 16 seconds. No mention of that on Track and Field News or anywhere. Seems like a pretty big deal...

Why no mention of that?

Fyyvggvyygvgyv wrote:

Bbgsjbhedjhb:/)?$ wrote:

BTW: is she born in 1994 or 1995? If she's born in 1995, that's a US junior record as well...

Ok, she was born in August 1995. She therefore broke the in/out US junior record by 16 seconds. No mention of that on Track and Field News or anywhere. Seems like a pretty big deal...

Why no mention of that?

...and her final 3000m of this 5000m would make her the 4th best US junior performer of all time (in/out).