Ryan hall new coach!!!

Precious Roy wrote:

Jack Daniels just needs to break Hall out of his seemingly perpetual injury cycle. I always thought that Hall should follow Meb to work with Vigil and Larsen. Meb has had some pretty bad injuries and missed more than his fair share of big races as a result. But, Larsen has managed to get Meb back into shape each time and ready for a world beating performance. Hall has just not been able to get out of his injury cycle since the 2012 trials. Daniels may be able to help as he is very connected with the medical side of the sport.

It is fair to note that Daniels has not coached any of the top international marathon runners. But Terrence Mahon's resume was pretty light when he started working with Hall.

Yeah but Meb's worked with Larson for twenty years. Hall's got a new coach practically every other month.

JD is like 1 million years old

True, but Larsen has shown that he can manage injury and recovery very well. Meb's career looked to be over after the 2008 trials, but he came back and won NY. Meb was pretty much out of competition in 2011 and lost his Nike sponsorship as result. But he came back and won the US trials with a PR. Meb had multiple injuries in 2013, but came back to win Boston.

By contrast, Ryan Hall seems to still be dealing with his bad hamstring that he injured before the 2012 Olympic Marathon. He is just a shadow of himself right now. He really needs someone who knows how to get an athlete out of an injury cycle. Larsen has proven that he can do that better than anyone else in the US (Salazar has not fared well with Ritz's glass legs).

Coffee Optional wrote:

Doesn't Daniels coach at Wells College in NY?

So I assume Ryan won't be moving there to train. Daniels won't be observing workouts like most seem to suggest.

Wells doesn't have a track program. So outside of the cross country season, Daniels gets to spend the rest of his year in Flagstaff, where Hall will be living.

The other guy! wrote:

Jack Daniels ... track record (SCNR) for the Marathon are less than mediocre.

E.g. he does not believe in long tempo runs, likes to break them up into "rolling tempos" with 1-2min breaks. Guess what, you're not going to take 1-2min breaks during the Marathon RACE.

Daniels was one of the prime coaches behind the concept of "tempo" runs. What is your definition of a "long" tempo run that Daniels does not believe in?

boomtown rascals wrote:

The other guy! wrote:

Jack Daniels ... track record (SCNR) for the Marathon are less than mediocre.

E.g. he does not believe in long tempo runs, likes to break them up into "rolling tempos" with 1-2min breaks. Guess what, you're not going to take 1-2min breaks during the Marathon RACE.

Daniels was one of the prime coaches behind the concept of "tempo" runs. What is your definition of a "long" tempo run that Daniels does not believe in?

"Tempo runs—steady, moderately prolonged runs—have been around for some time, but runners and coaches define them differently. "

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"Many coaches and runners do longer tempo runs at slower than true threshold pace, and this can yield positive results. Prolonged running at this intensity builds a good sense of maintaining a strong pace for an extended period of time, and as stated earlier, in some instances the demand can be as psychologically intense as a shorter run at true threshold pace. Also, some runners gradually build up the intensity of a longer "tempo" run until actually running at threshold pace. In any case, I believe in the benefits of tempo runs that are longer than 20 minutes and have designed tables that alter the speed of the run as dictated by duration ..."

Sometimes that "someone" is not a coach, necessarily. Do you know whether it was Larsen, or the MTC trainers that helped bring Meb back after the 2008 Trials trauma? I tend to think (though don't know for sure) that event really brought home to Meb the importance and criticality of working on his 'human machine' person.

And witness Christo Landry; from his latest interview, a trainer brought him back from the brink:

What Meb had/has with Larsen is the experience developed over years to adapt and overcome the setbacks.

Exactly. Larson put Meb back together not because Larson can work miracles with anyone—he was able to do that because he's worked with Meb for so long, and knows exactly what makes him tick. That's what makes a truly great coach! You can't just expect to throw Ryan Hall at him and have Larson immediately figure the guy out.

asdfasdfasfasdf wrote:

Exactly. Larson put Meb back together not because Larson can work miracles with anyone—he was able to do that because he's worked with Meb for so long, and knows exactly what makes him tick. That's what makes a truly great coach! You can't just expect to throw Ryan Hall at him and have Larson immediately figure the guy out.

Jack Daniels has 1 year to post a Ryan Hall 2:06 or better or Ryan might as well retire.

A typical Letsrunner wrote:

asdfasdfasfasdf wrote:

Exactly. Larson put Meb back together not because Larson can work miracles with anyone—he was able to do that because he's worked with Meb for so long, and knows exactly what makes him tick. That's what makes a truly great coach! You can't just expect to throw Ryan Hall at him and have Larson immediately figure the guy out.

Jack Daniels has 1 year to post a Ryan Hall 2:06 or better or Ryan might as well retire.

Thank you for your completely useless assignment. I'll make sure to pass this deadline along to Dr. Daniels.

Jack Daniels has 1 year to post a Ryan Hall 2:06 or better or Ryan might as well retire.[/quote]

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If you read his website it is clear that Hall's primary focus is the Olympic Marathon Trials in early 2016. Other races will probably be secondary to that primary objective. So he might run Boston next Spring, if healthy, but maybe skip running a Fall marathon next year.

The other guy! wrote:

E.g. he does not believe in long tempo runs, likes to break them up into "rolling tempos" with 1-2min breaks. Guess what, you're not going to take 1-2min breaks during the Marathon RACE.

Clueless clown blowing dope smoke... Classic letsrun...

Ryan is very unlikely to get back to where he was years ago no matter who tries to coach him. His time has passed. Period.

Does this whole saga remind anyone of Alan Webb?

This is going to end up the same way.

He will never get back to 2:06 shape or faster but can he say run sub 2:10 and make another Olympic team, I would say there is a better than 50/50 chance of that. I think that based on his legendary Boston performance he reached too far beyond his capability in his training, for example his phase of training at world record pace. It caused him to get hurt pure and simple. He pushed the boundaries, skirting on the edge of injury in an attempt to advance and without a coach to reign him in things went south. His bringing in a coach now a sensible move to make with well over 12 months to the trials and probably his last hurrah in the sport on the way. I hope it goes well for him.

The funny thing is America is fairly mediocre in the "word marathon".

Sciatica Road wrote:

Do you know whether it was Larsen, or the MTC trainers that helped bring Meb back after the 2008 Trials trauma? I tend to think (though don't know for sure) that event really brought home to Meb the importance and criticality of working on his 'human machine' person.

It was Dr. Krista Austin, and the staffs at USOC training center that she introduced to him. He did an extensive rehab (12 hours a day) for a few months there to figure out what was causing the problem and get his body fixed. It is written in Meb's book. ("Run to Overcome.")

Rickster wrote:

Ryan is very unlikely to get back to where he was years ago no matter who tries to coach him. His time has passed. Period.

Does this whole saga remind anyone of Alan Webb?

This is going to end up the same way.

Triathlons?

Didn't he already cycle through Daniels?

More factual that assumption wrote:

Larson was a bystander watching and assisting coach Vigils workouts at Mammoth. Larson structure is basically what he adapted from Vigil.

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asdfasdfasfasdf wrote:

Exactly. Larson put Meb back together not because Larson can work miracles with anyone—he was able to do that because he's worked with Meb for so long, and knows exactly what makes him tick.

Apparently, these posters are clueless as to the history of the sport (and the spelling of Coach Larsen's name).

Coach Larsen has a history of producing outstanding distance runners going back to the '60s. He took a bunch of local San Diego guys and won an AAU XC National championship in '76. He won 7 CA community college state XC championships in 9 years at Grossmont JC. He was 4 times National college track coach of the year at UCLA. He had at least two sub-2:10:30 marathoners and a sub-1 hr. half marathoner before he ever started coaching Meb.

Coach Larsen can work miracles with anyone who wants to commit themselves to distance running.