Bolt is the man - Calls for lifetime bans for drug cheats, says he couldn't have beaten Justin Gatin this year

I think u raise valid point that the doped to the gills crowd fail to address. Powell broke down not longer after he ran his 9.74s and never went there again. Blake after his 9.69s run suffered what some speculate may be a career ending injury. Tyson, well, after his 9.68 run aided by a 4.0 wind in 2008 had that big hammy injury that put out him out of contention in Beijing and has been up and down since even after getting some 'help'.

If Bolt is doped what is he on that has allowed him to recover unscathed, dominate for so many years while the others have crumbled or fell into disrepute?

Star wrote:

rojo wrote:

Check this out. He has the same belief on doping as we do. There needs to be a huge differentiation between intentional and unintentional doping. Intentional doping should 100% be a lifetime ban. there is ZERO excuse for it in 2014.

How could you possibly determine intentional doping vs. unintentional doping to enforce this ban?

Gatlin says he unintentionally doped. Didn't know the stuff that Trevor Graham was giving was banned.

Tyson Gay also unintentionally doped. Merritt too.

If this rule were in effect, Ben Johnson would have also said he didn't know what he was taking.

Intentional doping would be extremely hard to prove.

Easily. Cases like biogebesis are clearly intentional. If you've got documents or testimony like that itS a no brainer.

Then also hen you substances that cant get into your system by accident are ther you clearly have intentional doping. you can't accidentally get epo in there; can you?

Orville McK. wrote:

Rojo's hero worship on Bolt is very reminiscent of Rick Reilly's mancrush of Lance Armstrong.

Lol.

Wow. Very shocked by the Gatlin comment.

rojo wrote:

rojo wrote:

[quote]NBC wrote:

OlympicTalk: If you raced Justin Gatlin this season, do you think you would have been able to beat him?

Bolt: [Takes a second to think] Well, if I had gotten a little bit more races under my belt, yeah. But perfect conditions, if he’s running 9.8, I don’t think so. I don’t think I would beat him.

I guess he's just being honest about gatlin. Gatlin with little fanfare is having a truly unreal year in the sprints. I didn't realize it until I just looked it up by he's undefeated on the year - 16 for 16 including heats at 100 and 200.

Wow.

Doubtful that he would've beaten Gatlin with his preparations. He would've been smoked and ducked him because he knew he'd get smoked.

Pot meet Kettle, Kettle meet Pot....

Or better yet the other day I met a rabbi a priest and an agnostic....

I'm just not wowed by Bolt's moral high stance. It's incredibly easy to desire strong penalty for cheaters, seemingly distancing yourself nicely from them. But that means absolutely nothing. If he's clean, he's clean. If he's dirty, that hasn't changed. Ever seen Rafeal Palmerio wag his finger in absolute disdain for even hearing his name mentioned in a drug conversation?

T&F federations (IOC, IAAF, NCAA T&F, USATF, AAU) that are self-tested are so damn corrupt I do not trust their technical abilities to catch dopers nor their administrative regulations and procedures.

A Lifetime Ban? Not for sports that are self-tested.

NOT ALL sports are self-tested and self-regulated you know.

Whatthewhat? wrote:

Talk about cherry picking to change the conversation to race and, of course, Rupp.

When it comes to distance running, race is a factor. East Africans are at a whole different level. Thats not defeatist mentality, that is truth. You singled out sprinting champions, I singles out white distance champions.

Rupp is white, and when you take out East Africans, it becomes alarming how much faster he is then the next fastest white guys. Barrios, Mamede, Lopez, the Spaniards, all ran there times when drug use was pretty much uncontrolled, and belong to pretty suspect training groups. Now Rupp is nearly half a minute faster than those dudes. And yes, there is Teg, Ritz, Solinsky. All have run crazy fast over 5000 and 10,000. But they all got fast around the same time, and they all train in Portland. Does that not make you think!!! Saying that Rupp's 26:44 is not that suspect because Solinsky ran 26:59 is like saying Qu's 3:50 is not so suspect because Wang ran 3:50 also. I simply do not get the hypocracy involved when the fact that Jamaica sweeps the 200, it immediately raises the doping red flag, but when the US gets 4 white Sub 13 runners in a span of two years, well its just the breaking of a mental barrier. Give me a break!

The fastest African runners on dope run 12:40, the fastest white runners on dope run 12:55. The fastest black sprinters on dope run 9.6, the fastest white sprinters on dope run 9.93. It's simple math. Everyone uses, all but the unlucky ones get away. but its by far not a level playing field, someone is always ahead. Portland is ahead right now, now.

rojo wrote:

Nick Zaccardi had a great Q&A with Bolt today as Bolt made a rare US appearance (he hasn't raced in US since 2008).

http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/04/usain-bolt-track-and-field-olympics-new-york/

Not only is Bolt fast, he's just a way better interview than other people.

Check this out. He has the same belief on doping as we do. There needs to be a huge differentiation between intentional and unintentional doping. Intentional doping should 100% be a lifetime ban. there is ZERO excuse for it in 2014.

I like Bolt a lot--it's almost like, from Martin Scorsese's movie (based on the book) The Last Temptation of Christ, when Paul the Apostle in a counterfactual future tells the married, earthly Jesus that people want to believe in "Christ" even if it isn't true. He's a fantastic personality--and not just the glitz that appears on television--but the down to earth epic hard work he does behind the scenes amidst the hills and mounts of Jamaica, with a sense of history and heritage behind him.

But, I also liked Tyson Gay, too and I had a bad feeling in the back of my mind when he was part of that explicit Anti-Doping accountability programme or whatever. And then he got busted.

I definitely feel good about what the Brojos have done with running journalism and keeping people in the sport and industry accountable (Mark Block, etc.), but to punish athletes without any mercy? Seems to be, upon further scrunity, morally flawed. I say this after reading some supposed insider information about people involved in PEDs (across many sports)--a topic which I am not a natural expert in--who basically propose that the paradigm--the "name of the game,"--has become avoidance of being detected. An oversimplification of what I had read, of course but I don't have the time nor the competence in the topic to describe it exactly but surely some posters will know. Then, the point is, that those people who do get caught and punished so severely, will not provide satisfaction. It will be a paper tiger, a bit of a sham and business will continue as usual. At least, this is the fear in the back of my mind. A sort of inequity, an imbalance and false confidence/conviction in the anti-doping crusade prognosis.

Memo Heredia was flying into Kingston, Jamaica today.

Wonder who he's there to see?

That isn't logic at all. It is merely calling an assumption logic and assuming everybody must be the same. Just because others get busted that doesn't mean everybody else is drugged.

eldanielfire wrote:

That isn't logic at all. It is merely calling an assumption logic and assuming everybody must be the same. Just because others get busted that doesn't mean everybody else is drugged.

But wait a minute, you're trying to say that logic is logical.

'There needs to be a huge differentiation between intentional and unintentional doping.'

We don't need to worry then as 99.9% of doping is unintentional if you believe what dopers say when caught

I never had you down as being so gullible