In response to OkcW:
I looked at footage from this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AENNPQDQMrA
Notice that there is a whit line at 33.42 on the video and then also look for the mark at 33.44. The 33.42 mark looks like its definitely the 200m to go mark though.
Maybe I thought 26secs was an amazing time to close in back then :)...
Ok...I think Kamathi has pipped Ches' time by .01 of a second :)
http://www2.iaaf.org/WCH01/FromEvent/News/M/10K_R_f_1.html
Went digging and found the link above. Wasnt quite the sub 24 I mentioned earlier :P
LM wrote:
Hmmm no wrote:That certainly wasn't a 24, but I see your point. Ches was still amazing though.
Yenew has done 24.xx though to win, but it was in either a 13:0x or a 13:1x from last year.
Lagat ran 12:59 closing in 51.9, not sure the last 200 but that's the most impressive close I've seen.
Pa-leeze wrote:
El Stupio wrote:That's so not true. If you look at equal effort races, you'll see faster closing laps the shorter the race, up until the 1500. The 800 is where that stops happening. But if you look at some of the videos already discussed, the fastest last lap comes from a 1500 where the winner closed under 50.
I'm not sure I agree with Bad Wigins premise entirely, but you're also being overly simplistic by forgetting that 1500m runners have much better speed than your typical 10,000 guy. If both races were a jogfest I'd expect a 1500 guy to close faster than a 10000 guy simply because its likely +/-47 speed vs +-50 speed
Yes, 4 out of 4 on national title races - Ches is quite a chump.[/quote]
Real shocker a Kenyan beating some college kids
Doclove wrote:
Yes, 4 out of 4 on national title races - Ches is quite a chump.
Real shocker a Kenyan beating some college kids[/quote]
Pretty sure he is also a college kid.
Pa-leeze wrote:
El Stupio wrote:That's so not true. If you look at equal effort races, you'll see faster closing laps the shorter the race, up until the 1500. The 800 is where that stops happening. But if you look at some of the videos already discussed, the fastest last lap comes from a 1500 where the winner closed under 50.
Just how the hell do you judge "equal effort?" At what point before the bell during a 10,000 are you making as much effort as in a 1500?
OK, I suppose that in 2013, 13:27 was about as tough an effort for Gebrhiwet as 3:36 was for Kiprop. From the official Moscow splits, their last 400's were
1500: Kiprop 53.22
5000: Gebrhiwet 53.38
Considering that Kiprop is MUCH faster than HG in an open 400, I'd say HG had much more left. Especially since he burned the backstretch in sub-13, slowed to 14 on the final turn when Lagat stepped in front of him, and then accelerated to 13 low again.
The important thing is which energy systems are involved. Kiprop's WC 1500 was languid through the bell, then picked up gradually until a final 100 in 12.52. That's slower than Cheserek's final 200, even though the race was a crawl by Kiprop's standards. Why couldn't anyone pass him? Because even that slow 1500 pace had fatigued their type 2 muscles. A slow 10,000 pace, on the other hand, can allow a runner who far outclasses the field to save it all, especially if they don't go until 300m out.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Pa-leeze wrote:That's so not true. If you look at equal effort races, you'll see faster closing laps the shorter the race, up until the 1500. The 800 is where that stops happening. But if you look at some of the videos already discussed, the fastest last lap comes from a 1500 where the winner closed under 50.
Just how the hell do you judge "equal effort?" At what point before the bell during a 10,000 are you making as much effort as in a 1500?
OK, I suppose that in 2013, 13:27 was about as tough an effort for Gebrhiwet as 3:36 was for Kiprop. From the official Moscow splits, their last 400's were
1500: Kiprop 53.22
5000: Gebrhiwet 53.38
Considering that Kiprop is MUCH faster than HG in an open 400, I'd say HG had much more left. Especially since he burned the backstretch in sub-13, slowed to 14 on the final turn when Lagat stepped in front of him, and then accelerated to 13 low again.
The important thing is which energy systems are involved. Kiprop's WC 1500 was languid through the bell, then picked up gradually until a final 100 in 12.52. That's slower than Cheserek's final 200, even though the race was a crawl by Kiprop's standards. Why couldn't anyone pass him? Because even that slow 1500 pace had fatigued their type 2 muscles. A slow 10,000 pace, on the other hand, can allow a runner who far outclasses the field to save it all, especially if they don't go until 300m out.
You make a really good point. Out of curiosity, what do you think Kiprop could run for a 10k and close just fastest than Ches? (like 24.6 or something).
Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:
Doclove wrote:Yes, 4 out of 4 on national title races - Ches is quite a chump.
Real shocker a Kenyan beating some college kids
Pretty sure he is also a college kid.[/quote]
There are hundreds of 'kids' who from kenya who could do the same
Is this 24.71 ratified/legit?
Holy cow wrote:
What is the fastest 200 meters ever run at the end of a decently fast 10k or decently fast 5k? Was that it!?
Did mo run a faster 200 in his 50s last lap in that 14min 5k last year?
impressive race. however i bet any of the top 25 10k runners in the world can close in sub 25 off 28:30 pace
Star wrote:
This is where we show the 1995 10,000m WC final
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVaU11X6JzE#t=416Geb may have been under 25 here, or close.
Winning time - 27:12
This is the exact thing I immediately thought of when I saw the thread title on the home page.
I saw this sitting around with some roommates and other running buddies, and we were just in stunned silence. (Not sure if the '93 Worlds were even on TV, but basically no one knew anything about Geb except his name.)
Finally, someone said "That's the best kick I've ever seen."
The king didn't have it tonight. Clearly he has world class speed but not the world class strength yet.
Wowza wrote:
The king didn't have it tonight. Clearly he has world class speed but not the world class strength yet.
So only the winner of a race is allowed to have world class strength? That makes no sense.
What was the final 200 tonight? Looked like about 25-6?
Holy Cow wrote:
Out of curiosity, what do you think Kiprop could run for a 10k and close just fastest than Ches? (like 24.6 or something).
I don't know. How about Augustine Choge though, the only man besides Aouita ever to run sub-1:45, sub 3:30, sub 7:30 AND sub 13. He could probably do it off of 27:40 at 9800 if he wasn't kicking already.