WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CIF GIRLS 1600 FINAL????

Quite honestly, I thought Maxwell was going to get 3rd when they came by me with 300 to go. I was at track level and Collins and Robinson looked much fresher to me. Maxwell took it out hard and had been leading the whole way. With 300 to go, Maxwell looked to be really tying up to me and I thought there would be no way she could kick away from them.

So, while it sucks that Maxwell ended up way off the podium, I don't think 1st and 2nd places were any different than they would have been.

Video:

http://www.dyestatcal.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44789&do=videos&video_id=118003

Destiny's leg is clipped at about 57-58 seconds in (watch frame by frame). You see her striding back and instead of following through it hits Sarah's knee and moves short and back again across her body causing her to trip into Maxwell. Sarah was following too closely and tripped her from behind. Sad that 2 officials standing right there failed to make the correct call. Even sadder that the appeals process wouldn't look past the mistake of the white flag. Clearly everyone has their opinions based on who they wanted to win this race, but the video shows what happened.

Destiny felt great and enjoyed the pace without having to lead for once, was instructed by me to move on Anna Maxwell at 200 to go to try to open a gap on her. She said she was way less fatigued than she normally is because she was following and not leading the race and felt ready to sprint the last 200 (those who say she was gassed have no idea what they are talking about, she was speeding up). Obviously she had more in the tank, as she still got up and finished 2nd. She said she didn't even know SR was still with her after passing her. You can see she is clipped causing her right foot to go all the way around her left calf which made her trip on her side. Had she tripped herself she would have fallen straight forward on her face. This was a domino effect caused by the 3rd runner which caused the first 2 to miss a chance at the State Title. Which is why I filed the protest per rule 9, section 7, #2 I believe about athlete contact. No contact and Destiny has a great chance of winning that race. After being tripped, she had no chance of winning that race.

Spin however you wish based on your bias towards your favored athlete as has been clear above in the other posts.

Coach Soles

The girl in 2nd place clipped her own calf and took down the girl in 1st with her. I don't think a DQ is warranted, but if pressed I would DQ 2nd place.

Sarah Robinson FTW!!!

Coach Soles Looks like you are the one spinning it based on your own personal bias. IMHO. I always had a lot of respect for you and your program but in this case your bias shows and that is the norm stick up for you athlete nor. To bad it was a going to be a great finish and now all we have is this board to debate what happened

billyzkid wrote:

The girl in 2nd place clipped her own calf and took down the girl in 1st with her. I don't think a DQ is warranted, but if pressed I would DQ 2nd place.

Sarah Robinson FTW!!!

Destiny's right foot hit her left calf and that's the first time you see her off balance. I don't see how Robinson had anything to do with it.

I also think Robinson was going to win anyway, and Destiny was going to get second. Maxwell is the only one that got screwed here.

Coach Soles wrote:

but the video shows what happened.

Coach Soles

Thanks for the video. Since Robinson was already moving out to pass in lane 2, if anything the contact was caused by Collins also moving out to pass Maxwell. Coach Soles, you even state that Collins didn't even know that Robinson was there, so perhaps she was the one who cut in front of Robinson as she moved out to pass.

also, Robinson went on to beat Collins by 8 seconds in the 3200. and Robinson has a faster 800 and 1600 PR.

i don't think this is a tainted win by Robinson.

Thanks for posting that video coach. It clearly absolves Robinson of any contact or fault for the fall.

SR is in lane two, her feet landing with the outside just touching the lane line. Destiny is landing inside of the same line, so there clearly is separation. Collins is interposed between the other two runners, and is having to chop her stride to accommodate Maxwell. This causes her to adjust her foot angle mid-stride, and she clearly catches her own toe on her calf.

I haven't seen anyone else on this thread with a bias of the outcome, I don't normally even follow CA Preps (WA preps being that much better right now :)

With THREE officials within 20M observing, and both video and photo evidence, you are the only one seeing contact. It is understandable, but disappointing, that you are lacking in objectivity on this issue, and are casting stones at the event champion, who is not at fault in any way, and as observed earlier, ran the smartest possible race under the conditions.

What the second camera angle shows that wasn't evident before, was that Maxwell got up at the same time as Collins, yet finished 11th while Collins got second. Maybe Maxwell fell harder, or maybe she was just that much more fatigued.

She was probably saving her energy for the 800 after she realized she couldnt win since Destiny Collins knocked her down

saw the whole thing unfold wrote:

Quite honestly, I thought Maxwell was going to get 3rd when they came by me with 300 to go. I was at track level and Collins and Robinson looked much fresher to me. Maxwell took it out hard and had been leading the whole way. With 300 to go, Maxwell looked to be really tying up to me and I thought there would be no way she could kick away from them.

Collins lost ground at the start of the backstretch, and tripped on her own feet trying to keep up, which she was not able to do. Maxwell would have kept pulling away from her and ended up at least in second, though I think Robinson still would have won quite easily.

Unfortunately this incident happen and it is over with and I'm not going to get in the name blame now and looking at another video on what I saw and all the other videos that I have saw. First, of Course Anna was slowing down and that was the plan and wait till the last 200m than her normal 300 or 250. At CCS she jumped to early and went at 300, when she should have taken off at 250. Anna always has a plan and where to work in a race. People who have watched Anna the last two years should know this already. You use different part of the races to run hard, rest, surge, relax and wait for kick or strength pending who you race against! Anna's plan run strong first two laps rest, relax till middle of 3 lap and surge for 200m relax with 450 left and build up and wait for 200m when runners are on your side and make them work, knowing they may have more speed in the end and utilize your strength. Yes when Anna fell she hurt her knee and foot you could see her walking off with a limp. she wasn't to sure if she was going to run. She was mentally drained because she had one thing on her mind and defend her championship nothing else matter and what place. Day before she was feeling good. Heat wasn't bothering her because she is use to it plus humidity and where she has raced in the past. After race, Had to give her space and let her decide if she was going to run or not. Then she made the decision to run. Watching the 800m you can see she had the strength speed and competiveness to win the 1600m, but that is over with. At his time she is taking the week off and focusing on school and her speech for graduating and will see about Brooks. Unfortunately things happen and you happen to grow from them, the race is over and it's time to move on and nothing can be changed now. It was a great field with a lot of great runners. Anna is a great kid who just works hard like anybody else and will have a great career ahead of her. Anna has gone thru some hard times with running for example her 2012 XC Season. Each time she has learned from it and it has taken her to another level. I can't wait to watch her blossom as runner and a person!

Completely agree. Robinson maintained her line on the backstretch right on the lane line or in lane 2. Collins was entirely in lane 1 during the same time. When did trying to move on the outside become "following too closely"?

Hard to tell from the video if Collins' foot clipped Robinson's knee before hitting her own calf or she tripped on her own. Anyway doesn't look at all like a reason to DQ Robinson. if there was any contact, it was incidental.

However, I think a case can be made for Collins to be DQed as she clearly took out Maxwell...

i looked at around 1:48 at the video and it "looks" like destiny's right leg may have hit robinson's knee. unfortunately, an official blocks the exact moment, so it's hard to say definitively that there was contact. in the nba or nfl, i think most would say this was a good "no call." i would even argue that this kind of incidental contact is so common in racing--you could even argue that destiny swinging wide to pass caused part of the contact--that it'd be hard to catch all of it, and even harder to disqualify athletes over every infraction. i'd go easy on the judges here: they can't use video evidence even if they wanted to. it's easy for us to look at the frame by frame video and come up with an opinion, but in real time, as evidenced by the disagreements on this thread and others, it's near impossible to call this a dq-able offense...

Coach, you are absolutely correct. Destiny's right leg brushed up against Sarah left leg which caused her right leg to move just enough to trip.

If you look at the footage you can clearly see that Sarah is straddling between lane 1 and lane 2. Destiny already positined herself on the outside part of lane 1. If Sarah wanted to pass she needed to be in the middle of lane 2.

robinson did not flinch, which should have happened if her knee was hit. collins made a move right after robinson made her moveto lane 2. collins moved outwards and then back inwards slightly, and, unfortunately, her foot bumped her own leg and she went down.

collins should do very well in the future. even though she fell, she got back up, she ran hard, and she finished the race. collins knows how to persevere, and get through a difficult situation in a race. whatever college she is going to her future coach has to be very happy that collins has the get-it-done trait.

DedicatedRunner wrote:

Coach, you are absolutely correct. Destiny's right leg brushed up against Sarah left leg which caused her right leg to move just enough to trip.

If you look at the footage you can clearly see that Sarah is straddling between lane 1 and lane 2. Destiny already positined herself on the outside part of lane 1. If Sarah wanted to pass she needed to be in the middle of lane 2.

Perhaps you need a better angle, or glasses?

DedicatedRunner wrote:

If you look at the footage you can clearly see that Sarah is straddling between lane 1 and lane 2. Destiny already positined herself on the outside part of lane 1. If Sarah wanted to pass she needed to be in the middle of lane 2.

no, it did not happen the way you "saw" it. robinson moved out much faster than collins to quicky pass both runners in front, and then try to hold on for the win. collins was ready to make a slower kick to pass wilkins. collins sensed robinson coming by faster and then she pulled inward slightly, and tripped.

video from across the field compresses what is the far field of view. what looks like contact can actually be foot or more separated on the track. unless there is a video looking directly at runners as they make the turn, there is nothing to see here.