http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8rwsjgmK0ko/TZU5vkoITGI/AAAAAAAAILU/7Z5DPX4qh38/s1600/198001_10150139739742639_32832647638_6712356_6634105_n.jpgrekrunner wrote:
It's a simple way to look at things.
Nobody with a name suspects Lagat.
Your link says Dr. Gundersen is one of the good guys leading anti-doping.
Alberto may be pushing science, but nothing suggests he's using banned substances or procedures.
[quote]rekrunner wrote:
Alberto may be pushing science, but nothing suggests he's using banned substances or procedures.
[quote]c da change wrote:
I feel like that is what the whole article was insinuating. The title "The 'Voodoo Science' Behind a Nike Running Program" says enough. All the former NOP employees seems to be sworn to secrecy. This just adds to people suspicions.
Okay. Where's the proof? Show me one actual piece of verified, scientifically certified sample of an existing PED presence in a single NOP athlete. I'll be waiting!
U sir are a freaking idiot, or NOP athlete. Why is a epo researcher and guy who creates anti doping tests working with a Nike group? Smells fishy and looks even more suspicious
c da change wrote:
U sir are a freaking idiot, or NOP athlete. Why is a epo researcher and guy who creates anti doping tests working with a Nike group? Smells fishy and looks even more suspicious
name names please or be considered ridiculous
ALL NOPers are dopers
The real question would be why a doctor who designed an anti-doping test would then turn his back on his own work and try to help athletes cheat? If you can answer this, I will admit to being an idiot . If you can't, don't post any more.
J.L. wrote:
Okay. Where's the proof? Show me one actual piece of verified, scientifically certified sample of an existing PED presence in a single NOP athlete. I'll be waiting!
I think we can all agree that if you want to not get caught with PED's, It can be done. I believe Lance Armstrong proved that. The article also implies multiple groups get away with PEDs in the US. So I am not saying they are doping, but at the same time I cannot believe fully that they are not doping just because they have passed drug test.
I do not know if you consider Mary Slaney/Decker a part of NOP as a former Salazar athlete, but she did fail a drug test for high testosterone. This was during a time when the T/E ratio was 6:1 compared todays limit of 4:1. So She Really would have missed the mark in todays testing. She failed this test during Olympic Trials. This makes me wonder with USA's around the corner...
All things considered, I believe my suspicions are justified. Articles like this one add to my suspicions.
staggg wrote:
J.L. wrote:Okay. Where's the proof? Show me one actual piece of verified, scientifically certified sample of an existing PED presence in a single NOP athlete. I'll be waiting!
I think we can all agree that if you want to not get caught with PED's, It can be done. I believe Lance Armstrong proved that. The article also implies multiple groups get away with PEDs in the US. So I am not saying they are doping, but at the same time I cannot believe fully that they are not doping just because they have passed drug test.
I do not know if you consider Mary Slaney/Decker a part of NOP as a former Salazar athlete, but she did fail a drug test for high testosterone. This was during a time when the T/E ratio was 6:1 compared todays limit of 4:1. So She Really would have missed the mark in todays testing. She failed this test during Olympic Trials. This makes me wonder with USA's around the corner...
All things considered, I believe my suspicions are justified. Articles like this one add to my suspicions.
remember that lance was before the passport
agip wrote:
remember that lance was before the passport
Regardless, the point was that it is possible to get away with PED's. I believe it is somewhat unanimous in the T&F community that their are holes in the testing process, and their are people out there who can get away with cheating.
Man you really are dumber than I initially thought. Why? How about money. If you knew how to do your own research you'd find that he researched the ins and outs of epo before he worked with anti doping. Why did Victor conte not work for usada but instead develop designer steroids. THE MONEY genius. No proof necessary, a guy who studied epo and knows how to pass tests is now consulted by Nike athletes. That's horrible for the sport and if you don't see that you obviously don't care about fair sport
c da change wrote:
, a guy who studied epo and knows how to pass tests is now consulted by Nike athletes. That's horrible for the sport and if you don't see that you obviously don't care about fair sport
Would you know it alls please prove this assertion?
I don't trust any man that tweets a thousand times per day. Something just isn't right about that. NOP is dirty but the rest of the top tier US distance runners are clean? Not a single Oregon Project athlete has ever tested positive in the passport era - or any era for that matter. Furthermore, not a single former athlete has ever come out and said anything was going on. And give me a break on the no disclosure BS. If an athlete or former coach knew an athlete was cheating, they would be fully protected and held up if they had any proof at all. Bottom line: there is nothing. Gambetta just disses on convicted drug cheats that have nothing to do with the Oregon Project. Just tired of the lame accusations...One thing you can be assured of is tomorrow's Letrun quote of the day will be from this story. Letsrun knows what pays the bills.
road rashed wrote:
This comes from a very trusted man. We'll see what the OR PJT response is, if any.
Anything outside of actual training that was created by chemistry and used to artificially boost red blood cells and speed up recovery should be banned.
Including sleeping in oxygen tents and being prescribed thyroid medicine for athletic purposes rather than health issues.
Everyone knows what NOP is doing. But its probably the only way to bridge the gap with the genetically superior and more socio-economically desperate East Africans.
"Where's the proof? Show me one actual piece of verified, scientifically certified sample of an existing PED presence in a single NOP athlete. I'll be waiting!"
-Lance?! Is that you?!
There was a lot of proof with Lance. Remember he failed multiple tests -- to say he passed all the tests is wrong. On top of that he had some bizarre "accidental" missed tests where he'd take forever to come out of his house because he was "showering" or some such nonsense.
Anyone care to comment on former Alberto Salazar athlete Mary Slaney/Decker?
This thread, like many on letsrun, makes a select group of runners look like finger pointing bitches. I'm strongly anti-drug, but I'm also anti-conspirarcy theory. Many of you sound like 'tards with an inability to critically think. From a washed up runners perspective, you sounds like jealous has beens or never will bes. Be specific, point to facts. Avoid hyperbole and red herrings. Right now your "smoke" points back to you making you look petty and immature. Grow up, post facts (pictures of lance and alberto or galen looking non-alpha make you look like a fool) or stfu.
I guess you too, are not very intelligent. Go back, read my posts, I gave links. Do a quick search on the guy and BOOM. Simple, stop being lazy and uninformed.
Nope specialist wrote:
http://fittish.deadspin.com/an-insider-talks-about-nike-drugs-and-innovations-1582835676highlights:
" It's as simple as that. Some people are in a dark grey area. Say 50 is the threshold for illegality: They're going to do everything in their means to be at 49.999. They're always trying to find something new to give their athletes an edge. They called it innovation, I called it cheating. Flirting on the edge, looking for gimmicks — I have no tolerance for people who operate that way.
>implying under the legal limit is still illegal
kek
