Duane Solomon 600m WORLD RECORD ATTEMPT Saturday 3/29

'if 800 was a "glamour" event for african americans, meaning lots of background endurance work, 1'42+ woud be as commonplace amongst african-americans as 44+ is for them for 40'

90% of those guys don't have the endurance. They are just jumped up sprinters and 400m is their limit and 30 or 40 miles a wk is definitely not going to cut it. They need to work on their endurance more not less. A lot of sprinters can't even hack 400m never mind further

Market forces would push some of them to the 800m for money if they had the ability.

A guy like Gray was a 400/800m type, just look at his build he was not a jumped 200/400m sprinter

err...

i already said the afro-americans don't work enough on the endurance to maximize 800

why repeat ?!

more repetition

nonsense

learn to read

caballo allegedly did 15 miles/week & he ran a solo 1'43.50 off that, which wouda been likely 1'42-high paced to bell in a rested 800 on circuit

on that basis, it woud appear that 44+ afro-americans coud also run 1'42-high off similar low, but assumedly quality mileage

30 or 40 miles/w woud get them 1'41 possibilities

i'd luv to know rudy's mileage

i bet it isn't great

where on earth did i say less mileage ???

you really are clueless

we are talking established 400 guys thinking of moving up

caballo had possible 1'42-high ability off a meagre 15 miles/w

it can be done

more nonsense

any 44+/45+ guy has ability to run 1'41/1'42

it's a question of wanting to do the quality mileage

again clueless

6'4/175 is perfect build for a 400 guy & probably too tall for 800

if he'd trained fully for 400, i have little doubt he couda gone 44-low, but that woudn't even have got him a bronze in era of butch/danny everett/steve lewis/quincey/mj/kitur/egbunike/etc !!!

It seems that ventolin has found the concept (and meaning?) of square root √ ?? And this after just 30+ years of deep scientific analyses? That's some good performance.

err...

very good...

now perhaps you can tell us how exactly bodo "impeded" Ryun on penultimate bend & how wide Ryun had to run ?

ventolin^3 wrote:

any 44+/45+ guy has ability to run 1'41/1'42

Normally I'm a fan of your calculator, but this statement is simply untrue.

It MIGHT be true that any 44/45 guy that can only run 21.x can run 1:45, but even that statement is questionable.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:Yes! objective racial stereotyping...so scientific!

no

it is the truth, even if people don't like to hear it

guys like gray/duane aren't running 1'42+ off 3'30 endurance

they have great intrinsic 400 speed & put in just about enough endurance to hang onto 1'42+

if 800 was a "glamour" event for african americans, meaning lots of background endurance work, 1'42+ woud be as commonplace amongst african-americans as 44+ is for them for 400

if caballo was running 1'43+ off alleged 15 miles/week, it's a damn certainty that african-americans with 44+ speed if they put in 30 - 40miles/week woud be running 1'42+ as a standard & commonplace

Krummenacher ran 1:43 off of 3:32.

Um... so, what did he run?

I can't find anything except old stuff on google.

Also, it just blows my mind that someone can run 72 seconds for a 600...

Frabbit wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:any 44+/45+ guy has ability to run 1'41/1'42

Normally I'm a fan of your calculator, but this statement is simply untrue.

It MIGHT be true that any 44/45 guy that can only run 21.x can run 1:45, but even that statement is questionable.

it's a quixotic

you have to reconcile tables ( based on maths + logical assumptions ) & predictor ( based only on maths )

tables here :

at bottom of link : "ventolin worksheet"

i can assure you those are the best mathematical equivalents for 100 - 10k anywhere

a 44.00 guy has only expectation of 1'42.00 at best on = everything

however, a 44.00 guy, especially if afro-american appears to run that 44.00 off more "natural talent" than other ethnics

if so, it means if he less relied on "natural talent" when running 400, he has more potential at 800 than" non-ethnic guys" who ran their butt off at 400 to run same 400 time

if an afro-american 44+ guy put in some quality 15+/week mileage, they shoud be looking at 1'42+

I have to reply to this because about two weeks ago I personally asked Johnny what he thought he could have run in a 1500m at his peak. He responded by saying that he could have broken 3:30 and always saw himself as more of a strength 800m guy.

i have absolutely no doubt he was in at worst 1'42-flat shape in zurich-'88 off a sensible start & close to pacer at bell

the shock value of the moron charging off at 23-stoopid with johnny in a suicidal

24.0

killed time

however, he hung on for 1'42.6 !!!

he ran a solo 1'42.6 off a 24.0 !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jlTlwQUc0

I have personal friends who lost to johnny in road 5000 races over the years. These are strong runners, sub 14:30 guys.

Also - Coe was MUCH more powerful than Gray in the weight room.

The idea that black guys don't run 1:42 because they don't think there is 'glamour' is ridiculous. Who has more press - Nick Symmonds or whoever runs the 400 for the USA right now?

west side road man wrote:Also - Coe was MUCH more powerful than Gray in the weight room

drivel

175 v 125

what fuuckin lift ???

said88 wrote:

It seems that ventolin has found the concept (and meaning?) of square root √ ?? And this after just 30+ years of deep scientific analyses? That's some good performance.

post the ryun dusseldorf video you greedy fvck

What time did Solomon run?!?!?!?!?!?

Bgbygbygb wrote:

I have to reply to this because about two weeks ago I personally asked Johnny what he thought he could have run in a 1500m at his peak. He responded by saying that he could have broken 3:30 and always saw himself as more of a strength 800m guy.

Nonsense. You are clearly trolling.

He didn't have enough endurance to run a decent 1K let alone 'could have broken 3:30'

If Cruz could only end up being a 3:34/3:35 guy for 1500 then there is no way Gray would have been capable of anything better than that.

If he really was deluded enough to believe he could have run under 3:30, then he would have had a better chance winning a medal over 1500 not 800.

ventolin^3 wrote:

west side road man wrote:Also - Coe was MUCH more powerful than Gray in the weight room

drivel

175 v 125

what fuuckin lift ???

Gray did zero weights until 1996. Coe was legendary in the weight room.

Calm down.

still waiting wrote:post the ryun dusseldorf video you greedy fvck

i only want to know how exactly bodo "impeded" Ryun on penultimate bend & how wide Ryun had to run ?

can you said-88, not even describe that penultimate bend ?

i even offer a "mathematical" 100 - 10k = for paltry compense

see

"ventolin worksheet"

offer bodo, please

ventolin^3 wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:Yes! objective racial stereotyping...so scientific!

no

it is the truth, even if people don't like to hear it

guys like gray/duane aren't running 1'42+ off 3'30 endurance

they have great intrinsic 400 speed & put in just about enough endurance to hang onto 1'42+

if 800 was a "glamour" event for african americans, meaning lots of background endurance work, 1'42+ woud be as commonplace amongst african-americans as 44+ is for them for 400

if caballo was running 1'43+ off alleged 15 miles/week, it's a damn certainty that african-americans with 44+ speed if they put in 30 - 40miles/week woud be running 1'42+ as a standard & commonplace

Utter rubbish.

Firstly, there is no evidence at all that suggests a 44 'African-American' could run a 1:42 with endurance work, period.

It's not a case of 400 guys just working on endurance for a couple of years and then being capable of a 1:42. Don't you think people have tried this and realised that 99% of the time it won't work. If it were that easy everyone would do it. Everett and Borle tried it, one who fits your stereotypical model and one who doesn't. Did either run 'commonplace' 1:42's?

1:42's have never been commonplace, and aren't now. Suggesting that if all 44 400 guys did a few long runs a week would make it so, is quite frankly offensive to all 800m runners.

For a 44 second 400 runner to run 'commonplace' 1:42s they would also have to be that one in a million of their kind to also possess a large amount of natural/genetic endurance in the first place. They would then need to further develop their good natural endurance, which would be to the detriment of their 400 time.

In fact the only guy capable (no one has actually achieved it) of 44 and commonplace 1:42s simultaneously, has been Rudisha. That is why he is the World record holder.

You then base a statement on a 'fact' that you cannot corroborate concerning Juantorena's mileage. There is a big clue in the word, ALLEGED. If it is only alleged then your point falls apart.

In fact there is a lot of debate over Juantorena's mileage and training, as witnessed on these boards on various occasions. He is on record as saying that he often trained 25k a day and others that he only ran 1000km a year.

You have no idea what his exact mileage was.

ventolin^3 wrote:

west side road man wrote:Gray did zero weights until 1996

drivel

how the fuuck can a human run a solo-1'42.6 off a suicidal 24.0 off NO weights ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jlTlwQUc0

calm down.